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Why can't things be kept simple?

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37 chief

08-13-2007 13:45:06




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When I was growing up we had a butaine ref. which kept things cold, and made ice cubes in the little trays. It lasted until we got electricity, then Dad bought a electric ref, that lasted for a lot of years. Now I have a GE refrigator 1 1/2 years old and it stopped working. I opened up a couple of access panels, and all I could see was circuit boards, and lots of wires. All I can do now is, reinstall the covers, and call the repair man. I can repair almost any part of my tractors, but when it comes to electronics I'm stopped. Not having a good day. Stan

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

08-14-2007 07:48:11




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
Stan,

Just last night, I had a rental unit tananat call with a fridge not working. I pulled it and replaced with one from an empty unit. It didn"t run. Come to find out, the receptacle went bad. I replaced it and all is well.

Hope yours is as easy (and cheap).

Bill



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Vern-MI

08-14-2007 04:32:08




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
get the model and serial and contact these peoplep with the exact nature of your problem and they can probably help.



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tg in VA

08-14-2007 04:21:21




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
If we keep sending jobs to Mexico (China & India), soon there won"t be enough jobs for the illegals in this counrty. Imagine what that will do to our welfare rolls as I'm sure it would never enter their minds to go home!!



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old

08-13-2007 21:46:44




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
Pure and simple they don't want to make thing so the common man can fix them any more. Why? Simple again they want you to have to spend big $$ to cal in a service man that you have to pay $50 plus an hour to work on. Things now days are made to brake after X number of hours and that way you either buy a new one or pay to have the old one fixed. They just plain don't make things to last any more and thats why we have so much junk in the dumps and land fills. And to top that off 50% of the stuff in the land fills could have been saved but people now days think we can throw away every thing just because we don't want it any more so it cost use twice as much because we are running out of the raw matrials to keep makeing the stuff the way it should be made in the first place

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David Snipes

08-14-2007 10:42:21




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to old, 08-13-2007 21:46:44  
You hit the nail on the head; its outrageous. I needed a new gas tank fuel level sensor float for my Chevrolet flatbed. The dealer said it is not available, but they could sell me an entire fuel level assembly which includes the float, float arm, sensor and mounting attachment for about $170.00. I tried to explain to them that somewhere in a factory, someone is taking the brass floats from a box and snapping them onto the float assembly, so why can't I just get a float. They said it was impossible. I phone Chevrolet headquarters; they would not make an exception - it was all the parts or none! I found a plactic float from a junk Nissan and it fit right in.

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Steve Crum

08-13-2007 21:39:25




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
We are finally reaping many of the China made mentalities. American manufacturer/marketers are being hit from all sides with expensive and embarassing product recalls and lawsuits in their quest for cheap labor and products. A company touting their goods based on an old established and respected name will lose their a** as the name is all they now have since shutting down their production stateside. Once the name is associated with poor products, a hundred years of name respect is lost in one recall. Fisher-price and Mattel at one time were the last word in toy quality. They got cheap and sent their work load to China. Now their recalling all that stuff made over there. Petfood ingredients made over there will eventually ruin several companies. People foods? Well let's not even go there. American production cost vs. Quality will eventually prove out. Wonder where Ford got the components they used in all the 6 million vehicles they are recalling?

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Jim K

08-13-2007 17:32:59




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
Might also want to check and make sure that dust hasn't built up on your condenser coils underneath blocking air flow. There is also a fan there, make sure nothing is blocking it. You might have to pull it away from the wall.
To clean the coils use a vacuum with a thin attachment or duct tape a piece of garden hose to the end of the vac hose.



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NC Wayne

08-13-2007 17:30:26




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
Like one of the other posts said you ought to see the newer machines. Used to be a service manual was maybe an inch thick if that. The last one I got, for a 315C CAT, is nearly 5 inches thick. It only cost about $500 but without it your just spitting in the wind trying to work on the machine. The new construction equipment is as bad as any new car, sad thing while the newer stuff is fancy and pretty it will never last as long as the old stuff has.

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Dave from MN

08-13-2007 17:15:18




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
Years ago most everything was built for quality, because you could recoup the cost to make something, by being able to ask a price a certain percent above the cost to make it. Now share holders demand more returns, "lowest price" box stores demand lower prices, consumers are in the buy till it broke and toss it mentality, so manufacturers are always looking at cost reductions- thinner, less of, outsourced low quality components, higher rate assembly lines, less QA inspections. Result- cheap American built crap, or even cheaper foreign made crap, but with the way we as a nation spend every dime we make, borrow at any cost to buy what we cant afford, and buy the discount crap because that is all we can afford because of our spending habits, we reap what we sow. I heard at manufacturing plant in Mexico, workers make $2/hour / supervisors make $3/hour, maintenance make $5/hour. Expect more American made products to be relocated to the good old low cost countries.

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730virgil

08-13-2007 19:58:20




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to Dave from MN, 08-13-2007 17:15:18  
i was talking to a guy one day whose son has to go to mexico for his job several times a year. the mexicans have trouble keeping help as the workers will leave and go to the guy down the street for an extra taco a day.



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HENRY E NC

08-13-2007 16:36:15




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
I spent many years as a mechanical engineer and never learned much about engines. Now if you want to talk conveyor belt speeds, sprockets etv. I am your man. In the later years I did much AC and refrigeration. Also did other things. If your fridge stops I would be glad to come look at it as I do for lots of friends. I repair some and repair ice makers for them. 5 yars ago we bought a new Maytag fridge and the repair man sure isnt lonesome. Most of the time its a board here or a board there and the last time I didn't even bother to check it out I just called Herman. He came out in a few hours, looked behind the fridge and looked at me as asked"do you have a mouse problem?" Then he picked up the cord which had been chewed in two and wired it back together and taped it and said $60 please. I was so embarrassed I let the wife pay him while I crept out the back Moral of the story, check the cord before calling a repairman.

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georgeky

08-13-2007 15:35:48




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
I don't want anything to be easy,handy,cheap or as advertised. That way I am very seldom let down or dissapointed.



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steve-jd4000

08-13-2007 14:39:21




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
yeah am still driving 74 dodge pick up 3/4 ton 4x4



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37 chief

08-13-2007 16:14:26




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to steve-jd4000, 08-13-2007 14:39:21  
That is the reason I still have my 80 F 350. I can see everything on the motor, and am able to fix it. stan



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IH2444

08-13-2007 14:26:40




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
apparently you have not tried working on some of the newer tractors. computers and such on many of them as well.



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Lanse

08-13-2007 13:46:12




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 Re: Why can't things be kept simple? in reply to 37 chief, 08-13-2007 13:45:06  
Its a shame.



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