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How many horsepower?

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Goose

08-25-2007 13:55:43




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If a thorny locust tree, say 8 inches in diameter, were cut off 5 feet above ground, and a chain were hooked to the top of the stump so there was some leverage, how many horsepower would it take to pull the stump out? I'm assuming my D19 wouldn't be up to it. I don't know how solid a root system they have.

I have several acres of pasture taken over by these stupid trees, most smaller than 8 inches. A cousin of mine who lives a couple of miles from me has a construction company, and I've asked his son several times to stop and give me a quote on what he'd charge to come down with a D-8 Cat and push the whole scheiss into a pile, but I guess he's too busy building roads, etc.

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B-maniac

08-26-2007 19:19:26




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
Another thing that makes it a little easier on you and the tractor and may get it done a little faster is to use two chains , one hooked to the tree , the other to the tractor and both to a heavy duty semi or even an old 24" tractor tire in the middle for a little cussion so you can give it a little more jerk to break those stubborn roots. We used to do this on the farm to get things out of the mud while on mud. Works great and we never pulled a tire apart even with the 1030 Case. Even if you do the chains will just fall to the ground. There is no "rubber band" to the tire or the chain.

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buickanddeere

08-26-2007 05:22:24




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
It's not about HP. It's about lbs drawbar pull.
Weight, traction, a slow low gear and proper hitch height.



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Leland

08-25-2007 19:35:26




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
PAINT THE FRESH CUT STUMP WITH TORADON AND WAIT FOR IT TO DIE THEN THE STUMP WILL COME OUT A LOT EASIER IN A YEAR OR SO WORKS EVERYTIME AND DOES YOUR TRACTOR HAVE A GOOD ROLLBAR IN CASE SHE DUMP OVER BACKWARDS ?



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Doug N

08-26-2007 05:10:37




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Leland, 08-25-2007 19:35:26  
"DOES YOUR TRACTOR HAVE A GOOD ROLLBAR IN CASE SHE DUMP OVER BACKWARDS ? "
If hooked to the draw bar it will never go over backwards. Especially if hooked high on the trunk. If anything it will lift the tractor up a little causing tires to spin easier. When a tractor is hooked to a heavy load, the front tires will only come off the ground so far and balance out. The drawbar can never pass the pivot point because it's hooked to a load. Doug N

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Goose

08-25-2007 19:10:19




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
Thanks for all the input, guys. I'll try one and see what happens.



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Lanse

08-25-2007 17:04:18




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
I ripped out a 6" or so mullberry with my little 1400 pound Holland, just takes time. dug some pretty serious holes with the tires, about 10" deep. I'd assume a D19 could take it.



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Pair-a-dice farm

08-25-2007 15:58:43




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
It depends, I have a farm that I inhereted that was just about taken over by these pests. I've got a D19 that I pulled some out. I also had a guy with a cat dozer that couldn't push some out, I don't remember the size of dozer 5 maybe? Thorn locust have an enormous root system that sends out runners up to 100'. Next spring when they start to sprout back out you can spray them with a tank mix of Grazon and Remedy and it should take care of them. Good luck

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georgeky

08-25-2007 17:38:38




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Pair-a-dice farm, 08-25-2007 15:58:43  
I must be talking about something different than you. The locust trees here have nearly no roots on them Now I don't know about old Red Thorn trees but the ones here we use for fence post can be pushed right over with a tractor andf loader. Have pushed and pulled hundreds of them, some 15 inches in diameter.



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Pair-a-dice farm

08-25-2007 19:39:18




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to georgeky, 08-25-2007 17:38:38  
Around here North AR we have some that my dad used to call seed trees. The tap root goes down deep. The new growth trees usually don't have as much root and are easier to pull up. All of them have the runners that can be 100' long and sprouts can come up from them. On rocky ground the root system is not as bad as on the river bottom. I had one 20 acre field that was almost covered but I cut hay off of it now, I still have a few left and I have them in my sights.

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old

08-25-2007 14:56:25




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
About 2 months ago I pulled out a 12 inch elm tree with my Case 930 so that D-19 should have no problem doing so. But I would cut it off as high as you can and it will come out a lot easier. When I pulled that elm I hooked the chain at about 8 foot up and it popped right out of the ground and that case didn't even know it had pulled any thing till it hooked another tree and thens when the 1/2 inch cable snapped

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Mr Bob

08-25-2007 14:26:49




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
D19, if tires are loaded should do the job. I've taken out ones nearly this size with my Ford 2N by pulling and then chopping a few lateral roots with a mattock. My 2N only scales 3300# as I have it equipped, so a D19 which is more than twice the weight and hp. should handle the job quite well.



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georgeky

08-25-2007 14:09:22




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Goose, 08-25-2007 13:55:43  
I have pulled many locust trees over with a Farmall M. I think that D-19 will really work on them. Never know until you try. Locust trees don't have many roots at all.



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Doug N

08-25-2007 14:31:43




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to georgeky, 08-25-2007 14:09:22  
Heck yeah, D-19 should do it. It has what, about 60 HP or so. If you're heavy enough, wait for some wet weather, easier to pull out. It kinda works against you for traction. Doug N



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Mr Bob

08-25-2007 14:35:21




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Doug N, 08-25-2007 14:31:43  
A D19 gasser is about 71 hp. at the pto and would weigh about 8,000# with tires loaded. It should be big enough to easily handle this task.



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Doug N

08-25-2007 14:39:00




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 Re: How many horsepower? in reply to Mr Bob, 08-25-2007 14:35:21  
Thanks Bob. I thought it was somewhere around there. Doug N



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