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A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality

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Billy NY

08-31-2007 05:09:39




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This makes 2 tractor fatalities within 1 year, one was a distant relative and this person was a neighbor, it happened just over the hill, I'm not sure I want to know what the specifics were, nor does anyone really know what happened, thoughts are with the family now.

Just a grim reminder to use care and sound judgement around these old tractors.

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Weldon K

08-31-2007 18:57:14




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 05:09:39  
It is of little consolation to you or the man's family , but it is possible he could have had a heart attack , stroke or seizure that rendered him unconscious and he then fell from the tractor. I know of two cases near me in which older men died of heart attacks while operating their tractors. Neither fell from the seat but were found slumped over the steering wheel , with the tractor running, spinning its wheels after running into trees.

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doug in illinois

08-31-2007 15:59:00




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 05:09:39  
It happens every year somewhere. Almost same story, just different time and location as about 3 years ago near Tobias, NE. Farmer had mowed this roadside for many years, but had a new washout he didn't see and rolled the tractor. I myself have come close a couple times, one time was on the Ford 5000 diesel when I still had it in Nebraska mowing the roadside. I knew there was a washout that got longer every year. What I didn't realize is that it finally undercut the sod all the way to the bottom of the draw, so basically the left rear tire fell in as I was going uphill. The grader bank was steep and high, so the side of the tire went up against it and stopped the tractor from flipping. As I backed down the hill with the side of the tire scrubbing the bank that is how I found out it had undercut the sod as once I got down to the wide draw the tractor popped back up out of the gully.

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mjbrown

08-31-2007 09:55:18




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 05:09:39  
I spent a couple kilobucks this summer outfitting my tractor with ROPS , canopy and seatbelt. It hurt to write that check but this is a good reminder that it was probably money well spent.



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Walt Davies

08-31-2007 07:58:54




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 05:09:39  
I hope that the family is Ok you might look into them to see if they need any Help since you live close. I'm sure that they would appreciate all the help that they can get now.

Yes these tractors are very dangerous as everything on the farm is. we work alone a lot of the time with big heavy equipment that can hurt you real bad. I guess that is why we are #5 on the most dangerous jobs in America, well ahead of Firemen and Police an we don't get the publicity that they do when one of them is hurt.
Walt

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Walt Davies

08-31-2007 07:58:46




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 05:09:39  
I hope that the family is Ok you might look into them to see if they need any Help since you live close. I'm sure that they would appreciate all the help that they can get now.

Yes these tractors are very dangerous as everything on the farm is. we work alone a lot of the time with big heavy equipment that can hurt you real bad. I guess that is why we are #5 on the most dangerous jobs in America, well ahead of Firemen and Police an we don't get the publicity that they do when one of them is hurt.
Walt

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Stumpalump

08-31-2007 07:01:37




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 05:09:39  
I try to tell sombody to keep an ear open when I go out and run equipment and allways grab the cell phone just in case. What gets me about this kind of story is how they pronounced him dead at 7:50 pm. He I bet he was dead for a while but insurance ,hospitals and parametics can't bill a dead guy. Just like car wrecks that kill people often say he died in the hospital. Lets the parametics and hospitals cash in on the dead guys insurance or estate.Bastards.

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John S-B

08-31-2007 20:01:31




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Stumpalump, 08-31-2007 07:01:37  
Obviously you don't know anything about Emergency Medical Services. In some states, only a physician (which most coroners are) can pronounce a person dead. And most coroners don't go to a scene with lights and sirens. As this appears to be a rural area, it may have taken some time to notify the coroner and for him to get there. As for Paramedics, I have been in EMS for over twenty years. We don't make a friggin cent more whether we haul or not. Many times we haul someone just so the family will have the comfort of knowing that everything possible has been done for the person. Often, we haul someone we know we can't save so that maybe someone else can be saved by receiving an organ transplant. When I got out of paramedic school, the first five arrests that I was on, we got pulses and a Blood pressure on all of them. Only one survived, an eleven year old girl. Should we have left her there on the ball field in front of her family and friends just so the family did'nt get a bill? You really stuck you foot in you mouth, to say the least.

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Ken L.

08-31-2007 11:10:43




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Stumpalump, 08-31-2007 07:01:37  
If you read what the article says, you will see that he was pronounced dead at the scene, not at a hospital. Your comments show that either you didn't inderstand that or you don't think. As a volunteer fireman I have been to many accidents. If the victims are still alive, everything will be done to keep them alive. We have never looked at someone and said that, they aren't going to live anyway so, let's just let them die and I have the feeling that if it was you, you would want help. We have had people that we thought wouldn't make it to the ambulance but, survived to lead a healthy life. If someone has already died, here in Wi. we have to protect the scene and stay there until the medical examiner or coroner shows up to pronounce them dead. That can take up to two hours depending on when they decide to show up. Until you have tried to save a life, stood there watching someone die because you couldn't do anymore for them or in one case for me, watched a twelve year old girl die in your arms, you sir, will not call me a bas---- (don't know how you got away with it but, they wouldn't let me use that word) unless you are looking me in the eye.

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Billy NY

08-31-2007 07:55:55




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Stumpalump, 08-31-2007 07:01:37  
I almost want to go over there and see what happened and where, it just makes ones stomach full of knots, as I run the same equipment on this side of the hill and I know there is a family suffering terribly from this loss. I don't think he stood a chance given what happened. It really makes no difference now, but I would just like to to see where he was mowing, very hard to understand what could toss a person off one of these unless the terrain was real rough and excessive speed was involved.

It's just a shocking and tragic situation, just wanted to remind all about using care and maybe keep the thoughts of this family in your prayers.

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buickanddeere

08-31-2007 06:49:59




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 05:09:39  
At least that could never happen to many of the members here. They have the SuperHuman ability to predict and react to anything a machine may do. Their speed & strength make safety equipment, rops, seat belts, interlocks etc just a waste of time and money.



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Billy NY

08-31-2007 07:38:48




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to buickanddeere, 08-31-2007 06:49:59  
I'm really not exactly sure what happened, he was an accomplished person, was it just a freak thing, did he go into an area he should not have, I dunno ? There are some rough areas over there.

A seat belt may have easily prevented it, need a R.O.P.'s too. It's not that hard to get into trouble quick, I run this old 850 on the hills, no fenders, no overunning clutch on the pto, get tossed with that rotary mower going, you don't stand a chance.

My gut feeling is he went over something with some speed, tires not loaded making them bounce easier, just can't come to grips on what kind of jolt would toss you, I'd think mine would break in half first, unless you popped out of gear on a hill got some serious speed and bounced over something while free wheeling.

There are a few areas here that are questionable, need to be mowed but I stay out of there. I've hit some chuck holes and some depressions in places that I should have inspected first, still seems you would need one heck of a jolt to get tossed from one of these, I'm more concerned about turning one over. It really hit home, just over the hill.

We can't bring him back, but we sure can learn and realize they ain't toys and you really need to take care when deciding what you are doing with one, right now there is a family grieving because of it, I just hope they can get through it.

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Mr Bob

08-31-2007 08:03:35




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 07:38:48  
To me, a Ford or Fergie without the tires loaded is a death trap if you intend to use it on anything but level smooth terrain. I nearly learned this the hard way many yearsago.



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georgeky

08-31-2007 09:41:41




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Mr Bob, 08-31-2007 08:03:35  
What would that have to do with falling off the tractor?



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Billy NY

08-31-2007 10:28:34




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to georgeky, 08-31-2007 09:41:41  
I'm not sure if it was a contributing factor here, but I'm a firm believer in that these models absolutely do need additional weight, should have R.O.P.S and Seatbelts especially in the hilly terrain around here. Mine has a loader, tires filled and extra steel for a hoe mount on the back, + when no implement is on, I use what is supposed to be an old aircraft tug counterweight, 1000 lbs or better, mounted below the line of the rear axle, it has a totally different feel to it compared to a bare tractor, it will lift a suprising amount of weight and is very stable on reasonable slopes, but I can see the dangers, no overunning clutch, pto engaged, you start to feel it go over after running up on a rock or hit a depression on the down side in unknown place, it'll get ya with no R.O.P.S. and seatbelt, you'd be really lucky to escape the seat on it without something catching you, same is true if you get the nose in the air which is a lot more prevalent on the bare tractors, and when people tow logs etc. Maybe what happened was that the tractor did not have filled tires, (our compact Challenger at the farm will bounce you easily with just air in the tires) maybe he got enough speed and it ejected him on that rough terrain, caught by one of the tires, followed by the mower, it's the only thing that makes any sense to me.

Only reason I want to know is to warn others, there is another whole generation of people fooling with these tbings, a lot of the old timers learned the same hard lesson and knew what to and what npt to do, darned tractors outlasted a generation and many of them are new to em.

When I was a kid, at the ford dealership, hearing about accidents was something not all that uncommon to hear about, but not all that often either, farmers around here worked on some really tough hills and they still made use of every part of a field since way back when, northern part of the county is still liek things were years ago, lots of farms. When I was picking large square bales for my neighbor with his sons small late model MF beginning of July, I worked on some of these hills just scratching my head as to how the large ag tractors don't turn over when working on these hills, I skidded a whole bunch of bales to flat areas to load fearing rolling over, even without a bale on, tractor just did not feel right in some spots.

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georgeky

08-31-2007 13:37:17




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 Re: A Grim Reminder about tractor safety - fatality in reply to Billy NY, 08-31-2007 10:28:34  
Oh I agree that the little Fords and MF's are very light, my 7610 weighed less than 6000 lbs with no ballist. I just don't see what part that plays in falling off the tractor. I have ran many small Fords and MF's over the years with no trouble from falling off or turning over. Still have a couple of them now. Read an article while back about an old man falling from a 450 Farmall which is a fairly heavy tractor. Was also killed by the mower.

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