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Uh Oh

09-14-2007 19:15:13

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We live in an area where developers make a killing. its sad, just in that the are destroying our woodland and farmland alike. Well, try this for worse. One developer, a supposed Christian and supposedly not in anything just for money, bought a piece of ground somehow that had a cemetary on it. not huge, but large enough and very historic. Then he ran his dozer through it and leveled it all. How can there be anybody that cold? He is very well off as it is, so he didnt NEED the money. The law now has it in there hands, as well as everyone around here who is ready to string him up. But how can someone do this, especially just to make a buck? he flat out told everyone afterword that he didnt think anyone would notice, so he went forward with it. Dang. Sorry guys, had to gripe some, this one has me stirred up.

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WantACaseLASomeday

09-16-2007 12:14:54

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Re: Sickening in reply to Lanse, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

Kansas Cockshutt: if your question was to me - yes, it's around Wichita. The 20K per acre is at 151st W and 21st. Don't remember where the developer is moving the cemetary from or to - that is NOT related to the land sale for 20K - but it was mentioned in a small story in the Daily Disappointment a week or so ago.

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Mike (WA)

09-15-2007 07:43:16

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

Another angle: Cemetery laws are pretty strict in Washington- can't do anything else with them. Local fellow bought about a 10 acre overgrown cemetery (for a song) from the heir of the heir of the guy who ended up with it after the fraternal organization that owned it went defunct in early 1900's. It's on a side hill, with a nice view of the valley. He had discovered an obscure law that cemeteries and the "caretaker's residence" are exempt from property tax. He built a beautiful house at the top of the hill (graves were mostly near the bottom)- and pays no property taxes. BTW- he's not a villian like the rest of the posts describe- he cleaned up the cemetery, and mows and maintains it very well. I asked if anyone ever comes to the graves- he said he has had a couple of visitors over the past 10 years, he always tries to talk to them to learn a little more history.

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john in la

09-15-2007 07:05:45

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

We call those people Sunday Christian's. All smiles and at church every Sunday but will be the first to back stab you on Monday.

The problem is; it is not just city contractors doing this. We had a country boy buy up some land around him to run cows on. He was out putting up fence when the cops showed up (because some one called and reported him) and told him he could not fence in the grave site or the access road to it.

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Dave from MN

09-15-2007 06:11:36

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

Greed, Greed, we have the same thing here, devout Catholics, in church every week, always shaking hands and smiling, but they buy out everything and do anything they want, have yet to see the county say NO

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Your Neighbor

09-16-2007 12:37:08

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Re: Sickening in reply to Dave from MN, 09-15-2007 06:11:36

Dave,
I find your comment both truthful and interesting. In my community we have the same thing going on. Only thing is the Methodist, the Weslyan, the First Baptist and the Lutherens are equally guilty of this behavoir. Do you suppose we are all sinners? Why is it always the Catholics that get singled out and get bashed?

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Joe in MN

09-15-2007 13:13:47

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Re: Sickening in reply to Dave from MN, 09-15-2007 06:11:36

Dave... I bet you didn't know that the Catholic Religion is the BIGGEST CULT in the USA ....

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Dave from MN

09-15-2007 15:17:44

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Re: Sickening in reply to Joe in MN, 09-15-2007 13:13:47

Have to disagree with that

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Joe in MN.

09-15-2007 15:41:22

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Re: Sickening in reply to Dave from MN, 09-15-2007 15:17:44

That's cause you haven't studied that Religion and Don't know what a Cult is ....

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M Nut

09-15-2007 18:26:09

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Re: Sickening in reply to Joe in MN., 09-15-2007 15:41:22

I am a Christian, not a Catholic, but I have to say I am confused as to why you say the Catholic denomination (not religion, Catholic is part of Christianity, just not Protastant) is a cult?

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Joe in MN

09-16-2007 04:54:22

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Re: Sickening in reply to M Nut, 09-15-2007 18:26:09

I was Born and Raised Catholic --- I often wondered why they never taught out of the Bible, come to find out -- they add to or take away from the Bible -- (( That's a Cult ))

ANY Religion can call themselves Christian --- IT's Following the Word of God (The Bible) that makes them a TRUE Christian -- and NOT Man's Ideas...

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ZZZZZZZ

09-16-2007 12:04:57

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Re: Sickening in reply to Joe in MN, 09-16-2007 04:54:22

Joe,
You must have been sleeping in church.
I was just there and was taught out of the Bible.
It's called the Gospel. The priest read it word for word from the Bible just as every priest does in every Catholic church in every nation in the world. The whole reason this is done in this way is presicely because the Word of God is not meant to be added to or taken from by man to fit his own selfish needs.

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Joe in MN

09-16-2007 13:11:05

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Re: Sickening in reply to ZZZZZZZ, 09-16-2007 12:04:57

YUP --- the Priest will read it -- but he sure won't let you read the Bible --- Priest's will read ONLY what he wants you to hear --- and Nothing else -- Just For Starters -- ask him to Explain Matthew 23: 9 --- and the List goes on..

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M Nut

09-16-2007 06:14:32

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Re: Sickening in reply to Joe in MN, 09-16-2007 04:54:22

I think I know where you are coming from, and would agree with your definition of a cult. However, I can't agree that all Catholic people are in a cult. I know several Catholic families that agree with me (a protastant) on the fundemantals of Christianity. Yes, we have different routines and rituals in our churches, but I know they will be going to the same place I am when they die. If you believe there will be NO Catholic people in Heaven, I believe you may be surprised when you get there. Just as not all people who attend a protastant church will be in heaven. I believe we both know the only way to get there. Email is open for futher discussion if you'd like.

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Joe in MN

09-19-2007 05:13:55

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Re: Sickening in reply to M Nut, 09-16-2007 06:14:32

M NUT ---- looks like you can't take what I'm saying --- you should Study the Bible and see for yourself ---

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Joe in MN

09-16-2007 14:27:30

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Re: Sickening in reply to M Nut, 09-16-2007 06:14:32

I sent you my answer to your regular email ...

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KEH

09-15-2007 05:08:08

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

That's against the law in SC. Local developer did that and had to restore the cemetary.

KEH

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Tradititonal Farmer

09-15-2007 04:32:20

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

As long as people keep buying houses from guys like that it will continue.Just like the drug trade the dealers don't create the demand the end consumer does that is who is to blame

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Mathias NY

09-15-2007 02:51:29

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

I'm not sure where you are located, but around here small family plot cemetaries are everywhere. You will find them in the middle of orchards, fields, woods, etc. Most are not connected with any church or even maintained any more. If this is the case I can see why the contractor felt no-one would notice. It might have been in his best interest, for PR, to call in a local college for a historical dig before he bulldozed, that way the history would not be lost.

Incidentally, moving cemetaries is not new. I work with a guy who found headstones stacked in the corner of the basement in a house he bought. Turns out that back in the early 1900's the town had needed to move a cemetary in order to put in a road. Any headstones that were not claimed by family or friends were up for grabs. That doesn't make it right, only not a new.

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Walt Davies

09-14-2007 22:57:51

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

I got this whole thing figured out. In Oregon you can be buried on your own property. I have two giant Sequoias that I planted several years ago. They are about 20 ft. apart right now and 10 ft. tall. Growing like weeds right now. I figure if I build my mausoleum right between them they will eventually grow together and I will be for many years to come safe within my own forest. Who would cut down two giant sequoias anyway.
Walt

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WantACaseLASomeday

09-14-2007 22:53:03

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

Article in the local Daily Disapopintment (newspaper) last week said some developer is looking for a place to move an existing cemetary to and I was surprised it's even legal, but I guess it is. I would love nothing more than to find 20 acres near the city so I could have space for some iron and maybe room enough to drive an LA around some day but the developers have driven the price out of sight. 160 acres two miles from town sold this week to a hospital company for $20,000 (yes - that's twenty thousand) an acre - in central KS of all places. Guys like me are just out of luck at prices like that. If I want to get to the 2 to 3 thousand range I would have to look 30 or 40 miles out and that's too far to commute to work.

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Kansas Cockshutt

09-15-2007 16:26:20

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Re: Sickening in reply to WantACaseLASomeday, 09-14-2007 22:53:03

Was that around Wichita?

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varmint

09-15-2007 07:02:47

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Re: Sickening in reply to WantACaseLASomeday, 09-14-2007 22:53:03

40 grand per acre an up here in western Colo. for up to 10 or so. if you buy 40 or 50 you can get it for maybe 15 - 20/acre

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730virgil

09-14-2007 21:13:50

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

we had pretty much the same thing happen in freeport il small cemetery has parking lot for a super walmart where cemetery used to be. it was cemetery for what was county poor farm. this was more than poor farm as some of residents had mental or other social problems.
no one knows for sure how many people were buried as it thought many of the people there never got markers. and records have been lost and were poorly kept. supposedly all those they knew about were moved.
what to heck is world coming to? can't even give respect to the dead. i bet most of these people got little respect in life because of where they were. now even their resting place has been taken. might be the only home some of them could call their own.

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D-C-741

09-14-2007 21:48:09

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Re: Sickening in reply to 730virgil, 09-14-2007 21:13:50

Sound'S Just Like WAL_MART,They are just a$$ H@ll's /They Cheat all the Contractors they deal with,with dirty contract's ,AND WORST OF ALL THEY SELL EVERY THING MADE IN [ CHINA ]!!!!! !! NEED TO BOYCOTT THEM !!!!!

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djm75

09-15-2007 04:10:18

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Re: Sickening in reply to D-C-741, 09-14-2007 21:48:09

I don"t shop there they are putting american buisnesses out of work.

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Leland

09-14-2007 21:07:26

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

I work for developers and it's all about money nothing more or less just profit .

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Davis In SC

09-14-2007 20:49:18

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

That happened here, a few years ago.. A city-slicker bought some land, that had a family cemetary.. some of my ancestors, back into the 1700's. The only way it was discovered, was that the headstones were found dumped in a gully. I think that person left the area, not sure what ever was done to him.

Back in the 80's, some friends of mine were out 4-wheeling, and found a gully full of stones, where they had built a subdivision. One of the stones was for a man that was the county sheriff, back in the 1800's

I was raised that it was a sacrilege to even step on a grave. Quite a shame that folks will destroy graves now.

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Walt Davies

09-14-2007 20:30:47

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

What really Pi$$es me off is that if you step on a bird egg on the beach they toss you jail and find the "H" out of you, but tear up and destroy a white man's grave and they give you an accommodation for being a good neighbor.
To bad we don't have a Federal law that protects all graves. When I was a kid they built Folsom Dam near me and they spend days digging up graves all up and down the river and moving them to a place above the water level. These were the graves of early pioneers and Gold miners. Now they would just remove the stones and destroy them.
Walt

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tractormiallis

09-14-2007 20:30:03

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

Wow, how could he buy a cemetery? Usually are owned by a government or church. Must have been an old cemetery not used much anymore or very small? He has no conscience if he just leveled it off and planned to build over top the bodies. This man is some con man. I bet its not just him, there had to be some type of payoff to someone in order to even get the cemetery as state laws usually protect cemeteries. Too bad townsfolk cant just hang em anymore. Would change this world for the better in most cases.

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suptscottyb

09-14-2007 19:46:08

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

That is amazing! Hard to believe anyone could be that stupid and cold. Perhaps someday someone will bulldoze his mother"s grave. Hopefully the law will make him try to make it right.
P.S. It"s not only the developers. It"s the people who sell out at inflated prices that only a developer could justify paying per acre.

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Jack a

09-15-2007 04:57:08

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Re: Sickening in reply to suptscottyb, 09-14-2007 19:46:08

And it doesn't work to sell at a lower price to a so called good guy because he just sells again before the ink is dry for the profit the first guy could have had.

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suptscottyb

09-15-2007 05:40:40

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Re: Sickening in reply to Jack a, 09-15-2007 04:57:08

Agreed. It would appear there is no stopping the senseless rush to over populate and deplete the planet....

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RobMD

09-14-2007 19:21:00

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:15:13

That's what you could call a hypocritical Christian, in other words, one that does not heed the word. To put it bluntly, he ain't very Christian. Then again, i'm not one to judge, but this gent needs to re-read the word and possibly LEARN from it.

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Uh Oh

09-14-2007 19:24:11

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Re: Sickening in reply to RobMD, 09-14-2007 19:21:00

Thats kinda what i was thinkin!

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old

09-14-2007 19:45:33

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:24:11

Don't know about other place but here in this state hes not even close to legal, but I also know your in the same state I'm in and if he has money and going into court in this country he will most likely get away with it

Hobby farm

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Uh Oh

09-14-2007 19:58:48

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Re: Sickening in reply to old, 09-14-2007 19:45:33

The good thing is he may not get away with it due to the HUGE number of people he hacked off. some big names around here had kin in there and so hes hopefully gonna get slapped pretty hard and run out of the country.

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old

09-14-2007 20:05:36

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Re: Sickening in reply to Uh Oh, 09-14-2007 19:58:48

I would hope so but you know how the court system is in this area, unless of course the ones burier there had the right last name and then he will not make it into court

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JTinNJ

09-14-2007 19:53:21

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Re: Sickening in reply to old, 09-14-2007 19:45:33

The fact that he may get away with it because he has money is the sad part.

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HENRY E NC

09-14-2007 20:27:30

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Re: Sickening in reply to JTinNJ, 09-14-2007 19:53:21

This particular crime has happened all over and here in Hayesville, NC a very well off contractor did the same to a cemetary containing many historic graves incluiding those of local Indians and former slaves. He was caught up with but the coldness of greed will always prevail. Greed is what drives this nation now. People used to want a piece of the american pie but now they want the whole pie and lick the plate also.

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