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Tom Arnold

09-29-2007 10:16:22




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I'm sure that at least a few of you guys have owned row crop tractors either now or in the past and might be able to answer some questions. I have seen narrow front R/C tractors that use two tires that are canted inward at the bottom and I have also seen tractors that have a single wheel that stands vertical.

Are both of these considered to be "narrow front" or is the latter one considered to be a "tricycle tractor"? Secondly, does one configuration have an advantage over the other and if so, what is it?

And lastly, how stable are these tractors on level ground when turning left or right?

Any and all experiences would be appreciated.

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Len Rahilly

10-01-2007 16:56:35




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
Here is something right out of the horse's mouth. Notice which end I said. This comes from an original IHC brochure for H and M, published in the 1940s:
The tractors are pictured in the first pages of the brochure with the usual dual front wheels.
On pages 6 and 7, under Special Equipment, are pictures of various wheel options. For the fronts:
"Single front wheels for use in crops having narrow spacings." Another picture has:
"Adjustable tread front wheels adapt the tractor for work on ridges. Approximate treads are 8, 11, 13-1/2 and 16-1/2 inches. (Pneumatic-tired wheels only.)"
I grew up on a farm in central N. J. Dairy farmers, who grew corn and beans, usually favored the standard double front wheels. Potato farmers favored the single front wheel, because of the fairly-narrow space between the rows and because later in the season, they "hilled up" the potatoes and really had a little gulley between the rows. The single front wheel worked nicely there. I drove several double front-wheeled tractors ("Regular," F-20, F-12 and H) on my father's dairy farm, and a single front-wheeled F-12 on my grandfather's potato farm. I don't remember that there was too much difference in the way the two F-12s steered. The single wheel might have been a little easier to steer, but it's been over 50 years since Grandpa quit farming, so my memory of the exact difference between the two F-12s is just a teeny, tiny, wee bit fuzzy. In fact, my memory of a lot of things is getting a wee bit fuzzy. My guess is that the single wheel might mire down a little easier in mud, but I have no experience to prove it. I do have one memory of my dad's F-12, and now I can laugh about it. As you all probably know, the double front wheels were on a cast-iron stalk that went down between the wheels. One day, in my early teens, I went out one cold winter morning with a load of manure. Now, an F-12 will only do 4 mph flat out, pedal to the metal, and I was ALWAYS impatient to go faster. I would even hold the governor rod the little bit that it would go beyond the last notch, just to get an extra 10 rpms and go from 4 mph to 4.0001 mph. Our fields had the occasional groundhog hole, and sometimes a sinkhole caused by a washed-out underdrain (or "unnerdreen" in NJ talk). In the snow, these holes were hard to spot. I'm roaring along wide open when WHAM! the whole tractor drops about 2 feet and I find the nose digging into the ground and sliding along. When I got off, I found the stalk and the two front wheels in a sinkhole. The tractor had gone forward several feet before I could stop it. I walked about a half mile back to the house and told my dad, "I broke off the front wheels of the tractor." My dad did not talk much, and this time was no exception. He didn't say a word. He bought a new post and put it on the next day while I was in school. Never heard another word from him. Never used a tractor with wide front axle, but I would guess it would be more stable than a 3-point wheel configuration. One of the dangers with the 3-point type is short turns at high speeds could be dangerous--the kinds of speeds you can get in the road gear of certain beautiful red tractors that I used to drool over when they came out in 1939 (and still do, actually). The wide front axle might be some protection when attempting such foolishness. Luckily, I guess, I was just out of my teens when my father bought his first H, and I was beginning to transfer my interest to whipping around corners in cars instead of tractors. Now when my wife is a passenger, she makes little motions with her hands to get me to speed up (I tend not to drive too much above the speed limit these days).

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Tom Arnold

10-01-2007 05:27:45




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
Thanks to everyone for the replies. They were all truly appreciated.



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730virgil

09-29-2007 19:35:14




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
if you have loader on tractor keep load low slow down and don't try to take short cuts to speed job up. that's when people get in trouble.



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Gene Davis (GA)

09-29-2007 19:08:17




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
If you build it idiot proof and there will always be a better idiot!



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georgeky

09-29-2007 17:03:04




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
They will handle terrain that most any other will. I mow lots of steep hills with tricycle tractors. Never had a problem. My son did turn my 666 with loader over, but it was more to lack of experience than anything. The single wheel is better for cultivating close rows.



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Steven f/AZ

09-29-2007 16:28:06




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
In my 20 years on the farm, the only tractors I've seen tipped over were wide-front tractors - and 90% of the time it was with a loader raised up high and a hole, broken spindle, or bale falling off the loader that caused them to tip.

A wide front articulates to the point that by the time it hits the stop, it's already too late!



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Dave H (MI)

09-29-2007 15:30:47




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
I had a copy on the old computer of a university study on the relative stability of narrow front vs wide front tractors. I wish I had kept it. The upshot was that the narrow fronts were MORE stable than the wides. That is why a camera mounts on a tripod and not on four legs. My own experience has been similar. The only tractor I have ever come close to going over on was a wide front with a loader. Want real stability? Drive carefully, turn slowly, or maybe get a crawler?

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Wayne in MN

09-29-2007 13:52:46




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
Growing up in the Yellowstone Valley near Fairview, MT, we had all 3 styles of front ends for our Farmalls. I really liked the singe front for ease of turning when mowing, cultivating, etc.
The wide fronts of the 40's took a lot more room to turn so didn't use them much except on the sugar beet topper. I stacked many a hay stack with single or double fronts and never had any problems unless the load was carried too high and trying to turn a corner. Any style front end will allow a tractor to tip or roll IF THE OPERATOR IS NOT CAREFUL!!

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Allan In NE

09-29-2007 12:53:31




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
Yepper,

Both are row crops; the double-wheeled narrow is a tricycle and one wheel is called a single front.

One is about as stable as the next, I would guess, at least until you get a loader on the tractor.

At that point who knows? More often than not, they end up doing the driver in and they aren't available for comment. :>(

Allan



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Sid

09-29-2007 12:38:20




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
I have heard the term "standard row crop" for the dual wheels and "single" for the one wheel. As a side note the WD Allis had reversable wheels for a wider spacing. I have been told this was to follow lister ridges. My experience has been that reversing the wheels, to the wider adjustment, makes them track a little better in snow. The manual also uses the term FRONT AXLE-SINGLE FRONT WHEEL and FRONT AXLE-STANDARD DUAL FRONT WHEELS

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buickanddeere

09-29-2007 14:02:46




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Sid, 09-29-2007 12:38:20  
Standard in that era was what the John Deere AR,R,80,820 & 830 were built as. There were wide front rowcrops and tricycle rowcrops. It depends on the local terminology to some extent. You cultivate corn, we scuffle corn. We hunt or cut trees in the bush, you hunt or cut trees in the woods. Pony engines, starting engines, cranking engines or pup engines etc.



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fixerupper

09-29-2007 11:08:31




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
Here in Iowa, especially in the flat parts of the state we used to have a lot more narrow front tractors than any other configuration,and I've always thought 'narrow front'and 'trycicle' front were one and the same. It just depends what you are cmfortable with.A single wheel seems to be called 'single wheel front end', at least here in Iowa. Some people around here used to take off the two wheeled narrow front and put on a single wheel to get through mud better. Two wheeled narrow fronts plug up with mud and then they won't turn. A single wheel will also be used for crops that are planted in narrow rows.As far as stability goes, the narrow front tractor is more tipsy and needs to be driven more carefully. I have heard it called a 'widow maker'. Jim

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Nebraska Cowman

09-29-2007 11:05:12




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Tom Arnold, 09-29-2007 10:16:22  
Just depends who you ask. Both can be called "narrow" front. As far as "row-crop" there were and are adjustable wide-fronts designed for row crops too. As far as being more or less stable, you havn't changed the center of gravity. When one of the rear wheels leaves the ground on a side slope the rest of the tractor is going to follow.



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JMS/MN

09-29-2007 12:01:30




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 Re: Row Crop tractors in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-29-2007 11:05:12  
Most people feel more comfortable with a wide front on slopes. Granted, the center of gravity changes only a little bit, but they rely on the fact that as the tractor leans over to tip, it reaches a stop when the frame hits the WFE. That is when the geometry changes- the front pivot point extends to the side a bit. Whether it is enough depends on speed, angle, etc. Tricycle, narrow fronts will still tip sooner, given the same parameters of speed and angle.

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