OT: so howza 'bout that Global Warming?

I don't know about the rest of the country, but here in SWOH, we've had the hottest and driest year I can ever remember. The heat was just miserable from late May all the way to mid-October.

And yesterday was ANOTHER 90-degree day!!

2006 was our hottest year on record, and I'm sure we'll beat that with this year's temps.

But I do like the term "global climate change" better than I do "global warming." While it's certainly hotter than ever before, the weather is more often just downright weird.

CRU temperature trend:

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NASA GISS temperature trend:

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Satellite readings:

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Radiosondes:

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Borehole analysis:

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Glacial melt observations:

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Sea ice melt:

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Sea level rise:

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Proxy Reconstructions:

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Permafrost is thawing:

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All of these completely independent analyses of widely varied aspects of the climate system lead to the same conclusion: the Earth is undergoing a rapid and large warming trend, and that trend is (mostly) caused by Man's activities.

Thanks much,
Marc

• US Senate on Global Warming or Cooling

That web site is not the "US Senate" talking. That is a blog page written on belhalf of Sen. Jame Inhofe R Oklahoma.

Hardly someone you can expect to approach this issue, or probably any other for that matter, from a balanced perspective.

• I are intellectually lazy

• Al Gore lies

Now was that Global Warming back then?

If this was in the 30's all the idiots could probably convince me.

Oh by the way, it was hot and dry here last year too. Had a real good year this year. But I'll bet we'll have another hot dry year again sometime.

I heard on the TV that 1934 during the dust bowl days was the hottest year on record so how do attest to that.
Walt

They're going to drag us back to the 13th century, if they have their way...

Nobody doubts that the climate changes over time.

But if you want to talk science, I'll go along with that.

• Scientists on Global limate Change

Human activities are pumping large amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmoshere in a very short amount of time - geologically speaking. I think it is silly to assume that that won't have signficant effects to the climate.

I am 47 years old, I suspect I will be seeing dramatic changes to the climate (assuiming I live another couple decades), certainly my sons will. I just hope that the feed-back mechanisms scientist talk about (e.g., methane release from decaying permafrost) don't don't turn Mother Earth into Mercury.

But alas there is really nothing to be done about it. Most people don't even pay attention, and most of those that do rationalize that there - of course - could not be a problem so I don't need to do anything about, or they just don't give a sh!t.

People with short memories fall for the darnedest things.

John T Christain Conservative Fuddy Duddy

It will continue to change until the sun burns out.

I remember in high school 30 years ago they were all saying we would be looking at another ice age by 2000. Didn't seem to happen, did it?

How much are you willing to pay in taxes to an international body to continue the global warming farce?

I watched these clowns testifying in front of Congress last year. They want the money but admitted that they couldn't really do anything about the change in climate.

Follow the money, you will find the true story.

Why is Mars experiencing some unusual changes?

The scientific agreement is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Created in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental Programme, IPCC's purpose is to evaluate the state of climate science as a basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis of peer-reviewed and published scientific literature (3). In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations" [p. 21 in (4)].

Now, why do you think that Rush would want to distract you from the real issue? Could it be because Bush and his Big Oil friends have a bit of a stake in the issue? Maybe so they don't have to sign the Keyoto treaty? Could it be to protect the coal industry? The auto manufacturing industry—(no real meaningful mpg requirements)?
Someone in another post said follow the money. Indeed, follow the money.
The issue now is the RATE of the warming. The earth is warming at a much higher RATE then ever before. And, that rate is increasing EXPONENTIALLY. That's what is concerning.

Regarding predicting the weather--any weatherman will tell you that it's actually much HARDER to predict weather a weak away versus 20-50 years. How do they predict what will happen in 50 years? By looking at ice cores from 1,000s of years ago and looking at the RATE and comparing that to current rates. Then, accurate predictions can be made.

Don't worry so much about Al Gore. He is just a distraction. Don't let yourself be fooled!! Don't let yourself be distracted!! Focus on the science and the truth.
OK, now lets hear the silly UN Global Domination arguments...lol.

Thanks,
Marc

Nice try, but I don't think you'll convince Grizz or that crowd of anything because they already know what's what. After all, back in 1904 their aunt's great grandmother swam in the melt waters of glaciers! in January! in Iceland! LOL

One of Grizz's biggest problems seems to be that scientists and policy makers will admit that there is uncertainty. That just don't sit good. Clearly, if them scientists can't stand up and just declare they know exactly how the world works, then they don't know sh!t from shoe shine.

Most people like the world to be presented to them in black and white. I'm one of them. But after the initial emotional agreement passes, I step back and look at all sides.

Most people don't. Most people are intellectually lazy. That's why we have the likes of Rush Limbaug spewing over the public airwaves, and the likes of George W for president.

Again, nice try. But as I said earlier, the really problem is that most people don't pay attention, and those that do only pay attention long enough to form an opinion based on emotion.

I'm so glad your view is the correct one.
Let's say your scientists are the right ones and man is destroying the earth in seven years.

Can YOU tell me what we should to solve the problem????? ????? ???

They want us to join KYOTO. Will you admit that?

• IPCC debunked

However, (and you probably know this already) I'm not trying to convince Grizz of anything--I'm simply trying to teach people how to think critically when they hear Rush on the radio etc.

There's lots of undecided folks that read this board but don't participate. I hope I'm getting through to some of them, and I hope YOU do so in the future!! Otherwise, only one side is presented. If we can present an alternative viewpoint, at least *some* will form their opinions based on more then emotion.

By the way I really liked your point about uncertainty--I hadn't thought about it that way before.

Thanks again,
Marc

I give it some thought. The folks I solicit work from (land owners -- folks with trees) appear to give it much more thought than I -- only because its in vogue locally that and politician bashing (either side). As far as I can see Global Warming and the threat of it accelerating has changed nothing. I'd expect emissions suspected of causing GW are rising and will continue to do so for generations.

Acid rain use to make me madder than all heck. About the same time I was irked about my folks cigarette addiction, ended up killing one of them at the age of 57. When I take some time to fish I wonder what it may have been like when the salmon were in the river. I'm not sure when they vanished from the CT river but its been a while now(generations).

So from my tree stump its my opinion that man has proven that he has the ability to change the planets environment. The thought I have at the moment is --are todays doomsday chicken little GW awareness advocates the equivalent of yesterdays anti-cigarette campaigners? If you have a 1-3 pack a day habit think about quitting. If it turns out the writing was on the wall and we failed to act out of pride or ignorance it won't be me picking up the tab but my kids and there offspring.

Having said that moving forward I'm voting for anyone that reduces my taxes and decreases my overall insurance premiums. If that person happens to have a plan for GW so be it. I'll run bio-diesel( eco-friendly??) if available and I'll use mass-transit if available both are not in my neck of the woods so its a mute point. We already use the crappy energy saving bulbs,grow the victory garden and recycle as much as possible.