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need a little help on woven wire fence

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Dave from MN

10-17-2007 05:31:03




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Well, I am having a stretch of fenceline that is gonna be the area for cow/calf when they are born. I am running 39" woven wire (330')along the side that would have been a real chore if the baby calves made it through a bard wire strand, so what is the best way to get this stuff up right. It is Oklahoma brand. Do I unroll it from rail road tie to rail road tie, wrap it around one , fasten with staples, then somehow stretch it( how tight??) and fasten it to the other rail road tie? I have metal t-post 10' spaced between corners. Do I use the same metal wire fasteners I use for barbed wire? Should the bottem running wire be right on the ground? I need some wisdom here, I have never used this stuff before. I need to get it done cause I may have to be foster caring for some bred cows whose owner just took his back out. I hate to see him have to sell his prizes, so I figured I would adopt them till he is able to care for em again.

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Dave from MN

10-18-2007 04:12:16




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Wow, lots of help here, thanks every one, now if it will just stop raining for a few hours.



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John A.

10-17-2007 22:45:44




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Dave, There have been a lot of comments on net wire fence building. This is an area I know a lot about.
First off your corners have to be done right and set deep. At least 4.5 feet deep depending on your soul type and type of post you ate useing. You spoke of R.R. crosties. They make a good corner here in Texas with our dryier climate. In wetter areas I do not think they work as well. Another opition is pipe, either oilfield or new reject. which is the way most folk are going nowdays. I personally like hand tamping on wood post, Not Cement for that short cut will come back to bite you. On pipe then cement is ok. Weld in a crosswise brace pipe and maybe a kicker and away you go.
Tie off your loose end on one corner, Remove a 2 or 3 vertical wires, make 2 wraps around the posr and tie the wire off by neatly making wraps around the line wire on each line. unroll completly.
At the other end ..... .
A fix a vertical pipe to a tractor drawbar and tie off the top part to the center link btase ot axles with a length of chain.
Line up the pull pipe on the tractor with the fence line, tie off each line on the pipe on the tractor. start driving forward in small incerments as the wire take the tention it will stand up. NOW look at the little crimps in the line wire. pull till half of the crimps are pulled out. (a reduction of each crimp in 1/2 its size.)
On wood post simply staple at lease 3 times on the corner and brase post each.
On pipe it is alittle more tricky, You must get a cable pull(come-a-long)and a wire clamp, fasten off the cable end of the come-a-long to the tractor or whatever you can clamp on the middle wire fairly close the the corner post, just down line of that post,,,,Say about 1 ft down, pull just a little tention or till this short piece slacks some. At that point... cut wire from pull post, wrap 2 times arounf corner post, then neatly wrap the pigtale of wire arounf the line wire. Now alternate top to bottom till you all you have left is the heavier top and bottom wires left.The look and figure out which enf top or bottom will move more if the other is cut. Mine needs the top cut first them the bottom. Then work out the rest of the line post Till it is finished.
OBTW.....TIE OR STAPLE EVERY LINE ON EVERY POST!!!!! it will make you a better fence, not a half a$$ one!!!
Hope this helps!
Later,
John A.

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Don-Wi

10-17-2007 14:31:28




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
The only thing I would add-

My dad put up woven wire over the summer around our pasture, and the day after he turned them loose in it, they were reaching over the top and getting out. We straightend it back out the best we could and ran a single hot wire over the top, haven't gotten out since.

If you don't want to run electric, go with a strand of barbed on the top, it'll be high enough the calf won't touch it and it should be enough to deter a cow that isn't extremely dedicated to the cause.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Jimmy King

10-17-2007 21:23:27




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Don-Wi, 10-17-2007 14:31:28  
You should always put two strands of barbed wire on top.



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JML755

10-17-2007 13:54:20




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Dave,

For end post bracing, I put a 2nd 4x4 in the ground between the end post and 1st t-post (5' from end-post). Cross brace (with a 2x4, 2x6, whatever) from the BOTTOM (at ground level) of the in-line post to the TOP of the end-post. Then I put a level 2x4 connecting the tops of these 2 posts. If you want to get fancy, you could notch the posts for the braces, but my feeling is that IT'S A FENCE, NOT A PIECE OF FURNITURE. JMHO

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Dave from MN

10-17-2007 15:22:13




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to JML755, 10-17-2007 13:54:20  
Well, I guess I have extreme overkill. I have 3 railroad ties in every corner!! I sunk each one 3.5' down. For the corral I have a railroad tie every 8 feet 3.5' down and will be using cattle panels to close the span. I suppose I am overdoing it, but I just do not want cattle out and want it to last for more years than me!!



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georgeky

10-17-2007 16:35:37




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 15:22:13  
Dave, that is just what you want, the biggest reason for poor fencing is poor bracing and the wire loosens up. Did you get the pics I sent?



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Dave from MN

10-17-2007 17:02:30




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to georgeky, 10-17-2007 16:35:37  
Yes, thanks. It helped me see what exactly to do. If it would just stop raining I can make some more progress. Finished the corral post, now it is running fence, putting up the cattle panels, and building a decent feed bunk.



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georgeky

10-17-2007 17:05:33




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 17:02:30  
No such thing as over kill when it comes to fencing. Beats chasing cows and lawsuits. Good luck.



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higgins

10-17-2007 13:06:54




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Do brace the end posts with a steel (or whatever)post. Bottom wire can be up a bit - just not enough they think they can nose under it. Don't sound like you're fixin a major feedlot there so there's room to get off a bit.



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swedeinmt

10-17-2007 12:46:35




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
if their viking cows just put up a goal-post that will keep them out . go packers



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Jimmy King

10-17-2007 10:37:07




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Dave, I think every thing has been covered except one thing. Do not pull it so tight that the kinks in the wire between the stay wires are strightened out there are in there for expansion and contraction from the weather.



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Jimmy King

10-17-2007 10:46:22




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Jimmy King, 10-17-2007 10:37:07  
A cheap stretcher bar is two Oak 2 by 4 s with about 7 or 8 bolts spaced, then clamp them on the wire I have stretched 1/2 mile at a time but 1/4 mile works much better.



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Lee in Iowa

10-17-2007 10:27:14




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
The best way i have found to hook on to the loose end is to wrap it around a 2 inch pipe and the weave a bar thru both sides of the wire then hook a chain on the pipe and pull with a tractor. A much easier and better and cheaper way to build cattle fence is 6 or 8 hi tensile wires with every other hot. All the stretching can be done with the ratchets you put on each wire, and if the wires become loose you just crank them tight again. Several different companies have catalog/manuals that tell you how to put it up - Premier, Kencove, and Dare are the ones I can think of right now. Many midwestern feedlots use this for feedlot fence. Lee

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Walt Davies

10-17-2007 09:18:23




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
I have used a ratchet type fence stretcher since I was a kid on the farm in the 40s and 50s it a simple thing to hook up and use. Clamp one end on the bottom wire and pull it tight then staple it to the post with two staples. Then hook to the top wire do the same thing. don't worry about the wires in between as they settle in Ok when the top and bottom are tight. No need to wrap it all the way around but it don't hurt to make at least one turn around a corner and staple it.
Add a barbed wire at the bottom to keep the cows that like to stick the head under it and one at the top to keep them from sticking there head over and pushing it down. then add another barbed wire about 6 in. up above this. since you are using 39 in tall wire you may need a 3 wire on top. about evevy 5 ft. connect the two barbed wires to the woven wire so that they can't be pulled apart.
If you are level ground then nothing else is required but if you are not and you go though a valley or over a hill you may have to take your wiring pliers and twist the wire to tighten it up.
Take a look at a neighbors fence to see if you are doing it correctly or ask a neighbor for hand if he has installed one before. i have found that most neighbors in the country are real good at helping each other.

Walt

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kyhayman

10-17-2007 08:29:50




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
I normally us a 4x4, staple the wire to it, then wrap it around and twist tie. Anchor it to on one end post and hitch the 4x4 with a chain to the tractor. Pull tight.

Changed strategies a little bit of late. Got a 3pt hitch woven wire unroller/stretcher that I mount on the front of the skidloader. Unrolls the wire, lock the clamps, and stretch tight.



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georgeky

10-17-2007 12:49:15




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to kyhayman, 10-17-2007 08:29:50  
Hayman, I have been using one of those for 15 years. Really good for short pulls. Eliminates all that tieing and unhooking, lugging around chains, just better all the way around.



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Dave H (MI)

10-17-2007 07:56:47




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
One of the best investments I ever made was an old fence stretcher at an auction. Just a couple of bucks and it had all it's chains and ratchets and a heavy angle iron with clamps for the wire.
Probably too late for you to start looking but if you are going to do a lot of fencing in your life I would keep it in mind. Anything that supports the end of the fencing evenly when tightening with a come along would make a good substitute if not as easy.

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georgeky

10-17-2007 07:47:49




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Dave, send me an email and I will send you pics of how to tie your wire to one post and how to make a stretcher. Yes pull the whole 330 feet with a big come a long or your tractor which is what I use. The same wire ties you used for barbed wire do work for woven wire. It must be tied at every strand on your end post before stretching. Staples alone will not hold it while pulling it. Best to hold your wire off the ground 4 to 6 inches, as it will rust if to close to the ground. Not to high or cattle will eat under the fence and stretch it out of shape. The steel post will sink over time if you get much snow, and I assume being in MN you do.

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Dave from MN

10-17-2007 07:57:37




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to georgeky, 10-17-2007 07:47:49  
George, your email wasnt open. I opened my email so if you could do the pics that wouyld be awesome. I appreciate any advice because I would prefer do something correct the 1st time rather than have to redo it. There is a wealth of knowledge here and I would rather share my "greeness" and get advice rather than barrel ahead and have a mess. Thanks Every one.



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georgeky

10-17-2007 08:05:38




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 07:57:37  
Sorry Dave, I am bad about forgetting the email. It is open now. Don't know how to send pics throught the forum. I will go find my homemade stretcher and take a pic of the wire ties. Might be a little while, but pics will come.



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JML755

10-17-2007 07:33:00




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
TomTeX,

I find your response to Dave condescending and unneccessary. Putting up field fence is NOT rocket science, requiring an apprentecship under an experienced contractor. As can be seen from this post alone, Pete, Tom N OK & Gary all had a few tips that would help someone who has never done it get a decent result. I thow my 2 cents out there FWIW, as well. There is probably someone who would say my method is all wet. So be it. If everyone had your attitude, there would never be ANY advice given. I have read these forums for a long time and have learned more about all kinds of different stuff than I ever imagined. JMHO

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TomTex

10-17-2007 07:10:18




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
From your questions, I can see that there is no way to answer you in this forum. It would take days to write all about fence building. Construction of corner posts, stretching, etc. You only hope is to hire someone who has built lots of fence and then work with him to learn how. Tom



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Pete in MD

10-17-2007 06:29:41




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Make sure you put the fence on the "cow side" of all posts.



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bva

10-17-2007 09:01:45




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Pete in MD, 10-17-2007 06:29:41  

very good point. Smartest way to build ant livestock fence.



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Tom N OK

10-17-2007 06:08:17




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Hi Dave I have a clamp made out of 2x4's...2x6's will work with 4 bolts (2 of them about 3" from each end). The clamp should be longer than the width of the wire so you can hook a chain to each end. I guess how tight you stretch the wire depends on what you have to stretch with. I like having it fairly tight so it almost stands up when stretched between the corners. Fasten wire at one end by wrapping around corner post. Fasten the other end with steeples after stretching. Use same wire clips as for barb wire about 4 per post. I usually place wire about 2"-3" off ground. Think I got all your questions. Have fun!
Tom

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JML755

10-17-2007 06:08:09




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
I'm putting up a lot of 48" H field fence now in about 250' stretches. I'm putting t-posts every 10' and 4x4's every 50' or so. I use a come-along (hand winch) to tighten. I stick a long pry-bar (you could use a pipe or t-post) vertically through the squares (kind of weave it) at the "loose end" of the fence, secure a chain at top & bottom of the bar & attach the winch hook to the middle of the chain. I then use a strap to attach the winch to a nearby tree or post and have at it. I try and tighten every 50'-75' but have gone 100' because there was nothing to grab onto sooner than that. It tightens up pretty quick. I'm using recycled field fence that I removed from other areas of the property and, as you can imagine, it's not straight like you get off a new roll. I straighten the worst spots by hand before I stretch it and it's not coming out too bad at all. I got the pre-formed clips with the t-posts I bought at TSC. They are a real time-saver instead of using wire off of a spool for tying the fence to the t-posts. I use regular fence staples at the 4x4's.

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IaGary

10-17-2007 06:00:43




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 Re: need a little help on woven wire fence in reply to Dave from MN, 10-17-2007 05:31:03  
Wrap the end around the post and twist the ends of the wire around the wire.

Works best to stretch it with a stretcher designed to stretch woven wire.

Some are two blocks of wook sandwiched over the wire with bolts.

Mine is two angle irons the sandwich the wire.

You then hook a tractor to the wire and pull till its good and tight.

Stapple this end off to the corner post and cut one strand at a time and wrap it around the post and tie it off.

Release the tension on the tractor before cutting the last strand or 2.

You could stretch one strand at a time with your barb stretcher but it doesn't end up very uniform that way.

Gary

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