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O/T: '94 Dodge brakes

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MeAnthony

10-19-2007 20:54:55




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My father-in-law has a '94 Dodge 1/2 ton, 4x4. It has rear wheel anti-lock brakes only, not 4 wheel antilock.

The problem is that the brake pedal is darn near on the floor. He's had this truck over 10 years, and it's been like this since the first time he put brakes on it. The master cylinder has been replaced twice(made no difference), the vacuum booster has been checked(good), the brake system has been bled by us(several times; always get good fluid flow, no air. Still made no difference) and he once had the system power-bled by a shop(I don't know how that works, I just know he had it done. This also made no difference).

Currently, the pads and shoes are new. The drums are new. The rotors are in good shape. The rears are adjusted pretty snug. But virtually no pedal. The pedal is solid, and you will stop, but not till almost the end of the pedal travel.

The pedal is not spongy, like it has air in it. It feels like the shoes/pads are almost completely gone or terribly out of adjustment, and the calipers/wheel cylinders are travelling too far.(Trying to illustrate that the feel of the pedal oesn't indicate air in the system either.)

Tonight I had the cap off the fluid resevoir, and had him slowly push the pedal down(you can hear a noise like fluid squirting out). The brake fluid in the large chamber jets upward about 1 1/2 inches when slowly depressing the brake pedal. The fluid in the small chamber jets upward about 1/4 of an inch. Is this supposed to happen? Or is the fluid leaking/bypassing internally? Sending pressure meant for the brake system back to the fluid resevoir instead? Or am I missing something else?

Opinions and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Anthony

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10-20-2007 19:54:27




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 Re: O/T: '94 Dodge brakes in reply to MeAnthony, 10-19-2007 20:54:55  
Well The first thing that comes to mind is the parking brake is over adjusted and the brake shoes are not resting on the top pin. For an easy test take out the bars(flat bars between the two shoes) adjust the rear brakes and try it. BTW make sure the short shoe is on the front long on the rear.



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Bob Kerr

10-20-2007 08:21:34




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 Re: O/T: '94 Dodge brakes in reply to MeAnthony, 10-19-2007 20:54:55  
I thought of something else, are you sure you got the adjusters put back on right? If they are backwards (and it may not be possible with these) the shoes will losen up the first time they are used and the pedal will go to the floor and only front brakes will apply. Just a thought.



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Roy Suomi

10-20-2007 05:12:15




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 Re: O/T: '94 Dodge brakes in reply to MeAnthony, 10-19-2007 20:54:55  
Is there a possibility that the wrong master cylinder was installed?? Too small of bore will cause that problem because of a lesser volume pumped at each stroke?? Those trucks had crappy brakes to begin with..My '97 Ram had the worst brakes I've ever seen..Good luck



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Bob Kerr

10-19-2007 22:24:15




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 Re: O/T: '94 Dodge brakes in reply to MeAnthony, 10-19-2007 20:54:55  
I have a 94 dakota that has something simillar going on. It has always been a pain in the butt to figure out, but sometimes the front brakes work too well and sometimes the rears do. I think it has to do with the proportional valve. That is the valve that sends the fluid to to set of brakes that has pressure. like if a rear line fails it sends fluid to the front only and vise versa for if the front fails. My brake light and ABS light came on here a few weeks ago. but the brakes work ok. Last time that happened I got it to go out by having someone push the brake while I lossened up a bleeder and tightened it up before the pedal hit bottom. Then test the brakes on gravel to see which end skids, front or back and keep doing that untill it stops right. I dunno if this will help. I will watch the other posts and see if someone else has a good solution.

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