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super99

11-04-2007 02:51:03




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I got some help Thursday evening and we got 2 rings put on and I took Friday off and we got the bin up and then poured 6 1/2 ys cement inside Saturday morning. Have to hit the scrap yards after work and find some angle iron to make stiffeners to bolt onto the side walls and by the time I get that done, it should be ready to put corn in so I can finish up

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higgins

11-05-2007 13:56:26




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 Re: airflow thru the corn in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
Can't tell where you're at but last week someone brought up airflow in that and it got me thinking. You might try the plastic field drainage tile on the floor and blow air thru that. It would be better than losing a binful of corn or beans. There're enough trees in the background to indicate some rainfall in your area.



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CCer

11-04-2007 09:01:46




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
Question about the jacks, did you borrow, rent, home-built, buy? How many are used for what diameter?



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paul

11-04-2007 08:05:21




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
I need to do the same with 2 govt bins, so your pics & progress are very interesting to me. What size angle are you going to use for stiffeners?

I'd be concerned about the wet concrete, if you have a floor good deal, if you are putting grain right on the concrete, boy oh boy I'd want to move that corn quick.....

Did you put up the machine shed next to it, I'm in need of machine storage as well, always looking at those metal arch buildings.... ;)

--->Paul

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super99

11-04-2007 17:04:18




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to paul, 11-04-2007 08:05:21  
I borrowed the jacks, not much to them if you have some pipe laying around, biggest expense would be winches and cable. I had 5 on a 18' bin, we usually try to go 1 on each seam for bigger bins.
The stiffeners will be whatever size I can find at the scrap yard, was told they had some 2" angle in long pieces. I'm going to go look after work tomorrow. I have a fan set in the door blowing out right now, plan to leave it on for a week, probably take me that long to get angle iron and drill and put on and put in the door. I'm going to try to get set up to move a little air in there somehow.
The shed is 50X80, put it up myself. Has good and bad points. Can't drive a nail in wall to hang anything or put up shelves. Moisture collects on arches and when it warms up, it rains inside. Would like to have one end closed off to have a shop area to heat and work in, but haven't found a cheap way to insulate yet. Spray on is kind of pricey. I like the straight sidewalls, can pull 750 MF with 4 row corn head up next to wall, leave enough room to walk between wall and head and still have roof clearance. If I had to do it over again, I'd probably have a pole barn, BUT the neighbor up the road 1/4 mile has had the end tore out of his pole barn 2 times in the last 6 or 7 years and I haven't had any trouble with that yet. I think you have more options to add onto if you want to at a later date with a pole barn. All I can do is go longer on 1 end. Took 4 people 2 weeks to put up 40 arches, and I was beat when we got done, I did end walls by myself after work and weekends and it took a month to get them done. Go somewhere and look long and hard at one before buying, talk to owner and ask questions. It would have to be at least 1/2 price of a pole barn before I would tackle one again. Not sure if it is possible to get enough ventilation inside with out leaving doors open. Chris

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paul

11-04-2007 18:34:00




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 17:04:18  
Thanks. With the price of steel these days, hard to find a deal on the arch any more. Seems your opinion is in the majority of them - they work, but other options might work better, depending what you want.


As to the bin floor - I guess I wouldn't want to dry out the floor quickly, that will lead to cracking of the surface. Slow cure is a better cure. The center will continue drying out for a few months, so fan won't do just a whole lot in the big picture?

You have way, way more building experience than me, so I'm just jabbering. ;)

--->Paul

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fixerupper

11-04-2007 05:59:49




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
Good job! A little sweat equity can save us a lot of money. If the corn goes in cold the curing cement might not cause any molding. Three years ago a neighbor offered a really good 3200 bu GVT bin to me for free, so I got out the sledge hammer and knocked out the cement that had been poured in it, luckily it was rotten, then I dug the trench here at home by hand and had a bin mover move it three miles for $260. Another friend had an old tin floor that I could lay inside so there was no cement involved. It was set in the ground here in the morning and by night it was full of beans. Total cost was 7 cents/bu. The downfall is when I empty it I have to vac it out for 8 cents/bu. The new 20000 bu bin that was put up this summer was $2.00 per bu. Ouch! Jim

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super99

11-04-2007 06:19:57




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to fixerupper, 11-04-2007 05:59:49  
Too many low wires around here, Mid American gets real snotty when you hit them, so tearing it down was the only option. I've helped put up several new bins, and move some old ones like this.For my use, I can't see spending $2+ per bu. of storage. I guess if it rots off, I can have a crane pick it up and set it aside, pour a proper pad and set it back on and put a new bottom ring on. Did one new bin last year, all the sheets were the same thickness and had stiffeners all the way around it. If they sell them new like that, I should be able to do the same thing with my old junk. If it splits out or falls over, I'll post a picture and then you guys can say, I told you so. Chris

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super99

11-04-2007 05:49:37




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
I'll try to answer the questions below. Usually have half corn and half beans, this year was all corn(62acres). 21 ft bin behind it is full and 2 semiloads to town and still have about 20 acres to go. Have been trying to get bin moved since July, kept getting put off. It's cheaper to put cement inside, doesn't take as much. I'm 56, so it should last as long as I'll be able to use it. I was told that if I put a fan inside and let it run, in a week it will be cured enough to keep corn till spring. Thinking about getting perforated tubes to lay on floor and a 10" or 12" fan to put on it and then shouldn't have to worry about it. I'm cheap, I need to catch up on some bills instead of spending extra $$ on doing it right. I have the roof auger and motor to hook up to Shivvers unit inside 21' bin for next year. If I can get another old Gov't bin cheap, I'll probably set it up right beside this one. Any more questions? Chris

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Billy NY

11-04-2007 05:00:06




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
Great to see them re-used, was wondering can you actually fill it with corn while the concrete is still curing without having any moisture related problems ?



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iowa_tire_guy

11-04-2007 04:26:37




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
Looks good. It is nice too know that a little money and a lot of sweat can still get things done that we need. How is your crops? Did you need the extra room for an extra good yield? Piling corn on the ground here.



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RickL

11-04-2007 04:25:14




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
just wondered why you put cement inside and not pour pad first. They uusally rust out when you pour it inside from what we have seen. Moved seven big unit last summer 30fts and did several year before,no longer do it now thou as you can't get help hardly anymore.Just make sure you put the right sheet gauges in the right spots, have seen this happen alot also then they bust out or wrinkle down. Bins look like the old govt bins we call here. Those in our area normally have them for free just to get rid of them. Have fun.

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Allan In NE

11-04-2007 03:43:17




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
Wow!

Sure looks like ya know what you're doing. Wish you would come spend a week here at Poverty Hill.

Could use your expertise. :>)

Allan



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super99

11-04-2007 04:18:35




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to Allan In NE, 11-04-2007 03:43:17  
Thanks, but looks can be decieving. I know just enough to be dangerous. Chris



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Tom in TN

11-04-2007 03:18:19




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 02:51:03  
super99,

That looks great. I've never seen one of those built. It looks to me like an impossible task! Do you build that from the top down using the jacks that I see around the bottom of the bin to raise it one ring at a time?

Nice work.

Tom in TN



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super99

11-04-2007 03:36:36




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to Tom in TN, 11-04-2007 03:18:19  
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In a earlier post there are a couple of pictures at the start. Used jacks to take all but 2 rings and roof off. Hauled about 15 miles home on a trailer and then put back up. Paid $150 for the bin, 2 extra rings donated to the cause. the smaller ring about halfway up was wrinkled so I cut off bad part and redrilled holes and put back in. So far, all I have in it is bin price, labor and cement. When I get done and get the total figured up, I'll let you know how much I spent. Chris

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Tom in TN

11-04-2007 13:27:22




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 Re: Got The Bin Up in reply to super99, 11-04-2007 03:36:36  
Chris,

That's really clever. Congratulations on a major accomplishment. I don't do any row cropping so I don't have a need for a bin, but I think they are really great tools.

Tom in TN



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