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tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3

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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 07:27:00




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Why are so many people getting upset and nasty with these comments? I don"t usually reply to things on this site but I love to read the posts. If some of you narrow minded people were actually reading my post, it said it was MY OPINION. I loved the comments about I USED To FARM. For you guys that got nasty, you 230 acre guys, I USED TO FARM 650 acres, so I know where your comming from. I know your not surviving on 230 acres, so what is your daytime job? Are you having to support your farming habit by actually working? I make more money setting in the porch swing, drinking a beer, watching someone else farm MY GROUND, than I made when I was farming it! I love my job, but what I hate is the guy that thinks those trucks can run forever. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard "Its a 1968 Chevy and its only got 33,000 miles on it so it should be able too.....". Thats my opinion. Nothing else. I know plenty of guys that farm 500 to 1000 acres. In south central IL, there are not to many 230 acre guys anymore. The ones that are doing it are surviving, but they are not progressing. They can"t, its impossible when you do the math. The cost of fuel, insurance, maintenance, repairs, etc. It"s great to farm when you can survive or just plain enjoy it. I enjoy getting paid to hold that swing down and drink my beer. Im a fourth generation south central IL farmer that is 31 years old, I don"t want to here someone rag on my capabilities or how I USED to farm. I have a masters degree in agricultural business management, so If you want to argue how you can justify things go right ahead. I can understand what you may think is justifiable, but other guys on here can think my opinion, or any ones opinion is stupid or just plain insane.

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Dairy farmer in WI

11-04-2007 19:04:38




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
well lets see here... you're telling us all to go out and junk out our old grain trucks that run fine and go spend over $100,000 on a brand new piece of crap that are built worse then the old one. i have no paicents for people who tell you to junk something that runs fine. if it gets the job don in one piece without spending too much money one , why get rid of it. won't drive a sterling if you paid me too. too many horror storys about them.
just lear to not tell people what to do and everything will be fine! ok?
df in WI

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an honest opinion

11-04-2007 18:53:19




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
IN MY OPINION ::::: you are an idiot! i am glad i do not live in IL. because i would not let you raise the hood on my truck. in fact, if i were broke down on side of the road and you stopped and asked if you could help, my reply would be "yes, go call me a mechanic to fix my truck".



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Oldmax

11-04-2007 18:10:02




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
Sounds like the guy they hired to replace my wife at work when she retires the first of December . Can't spell and can't write. she asked him how he got through school and got a BA without writing a paper . He said his Frat brothers wrote them for him . " He was a base ball player ".



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1206SWMO

11-04-2007 18:08:16




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
Who said anything about making a living farming 230 acres tillable?I work a factory job and the farm has carried its own weight for all the years that I have done it.I have more ground but its rented out.

The reason it makes money is because it uses all older-smaller paid for equipment.If two old $1500 grain trucks get the job done then why would I need a $18-20,000 semi that would be used 500 miles per year?By the way my combine wont even unload in to a hopper bottom or a tall 10 wheeler.

I and a friend do all the work on my trucks and we wont be needing your services!Does your boss know your attitude about his customers?

Exactly what parts can you not find for older trucks?None have been parked around here for a lack of parts.

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Tradititonal Farmer

11-05-2007 03:27:37




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to 1206SWMO, 11-04-2007 18:08:16  
The guy needs to go up to Lancaster PA hundreds of Amish farmers making a good living on less than 230 acres AND they don't have any truck of any kind.Of course I can't recall any sitting on the porch getting drunk either(LOL)



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Tradititonal Farmer

11-04-2007 17:31:15




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
If you worked at a shop I owned and badmouthed a customer about what vehicle they owned and wanted you to work on you'd be out the door PRONTO.
Like I said its always the guys that couldn't hack it or didn't have business sense enough to make a living farming that ALWAYS think they know the most about farming.I know many farmers that are proving you wrong evey day.



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Too Far Gone

11-04-2007 15:30:09




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
Im also 31 years old and raised farming,and love it.But,The biggest problem around here is that the retired farmers put it all in CRP 20 years ago,and they are going to have to die off to ever open up any land for younger guys,and if they actually do want to sell it off they want 10-15 times what they paid for it,simply because they are greedy I think.Most dont give a damn about farming and havent for years.Their land will be sold off to weekend warriors when they are gone,then finish growing up in brush never to be farmed again.

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Grizz

11-04-2007 15:37:03




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Too Far Gone, 11-04-2007 15:30:09  
Yeah I know what you mean. My sister has a spread up in North Dakota. Whenever any land goes up for sale the city slickers buy it so they and their pals can stomp around on it a few weekends a year. They pay much more than it is really worth. Then they collect on the CRP and call it an investment. More damm crp than farmland.



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Too Far Gone

11-04-2007 15:45:33




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Grizz, 11-04-2007 15:37:03  
Really chaps your a$$, doesnt it.



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Blue3992 (N Illinois)

11-04-2007 09:53:43




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
Johndeerejon, I understand your frustration with folks who expect you to be able to keep trucks on the road when they should have been scrapped years ago. I can imagine it's a pain to have to deal with guys who come in expecting you to be able to produce 30-year old parts on the spot, or expecting you to make rusted-out, juice braked antiques roadworthy.

But, those folks are not on this forum. With a few exceptions, the guys I see posting on here have got their stuff together, and know exactly what to expect when keeping old iron out on the roads.

I understand your frustration, but the folks here aren't the same ones coming into your shop.

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havvey

11-04-2007 09:45:28




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
I think part of the problem seing many industries/trades etc. The people cant afford new items because the item don't make them any money directly. Time will run these old trucks out. I too have been told to fix something that should have been scraped. (felt like it was a waste of time/money. Take a vacation, but look at it this way if you were not good at doing this they would not be comming to you.

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Ole Beaters

11-04-2007 09:13:05




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
Did you READ the title bar of this site that SAYS: ANTIQUE TRACTOR HEADQUARTERS ?? duh? Most everyone on here has a love for their antique tractors, trucks or whatever antique. Go find yourself a old truck bashing board you garlic, cabbage eating smelly lardocat! A degree and all you do is work on old trucks geeze maybe go back to school?



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4010guy

11-04-2007 09:16:45




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Ole Beaters, 11-04-2007 09:13:05  
AMEN!



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Ben Rauls

11-04-2007 08:38:09




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
If you dont like working on the trucks quit doing it and stop complaining



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Billy NY

11-04-2007 08:34:34




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
Aside from the ruckus and cage rattling, not sure what the point was there, but for discussion, I think it's fair to say most would know the difference between the older and later model trucks.

That said, for commercial purposes, where efficiency, production and safety is high priority, running the older gas fired, hydraulic brake kind of medium class 3 type trucks, would probably make it more difficult on yourself to keep running and keep a competitive edge in the game. They are what they are, but you certainly can get parts for, repair and make one road worthy, those low mileage ones from farms, old fire houses etc., are great candidates for another purpose, put a flatbed dump on them, or what have you, great for a contractor, who needs a truck that size on occasion, or even for consistent to moderate use, a clean, in good working order, one that the brakes have been gone through, electrical system checked out, not been cobbed up over the years, cleaned all the connection points, corrected faulty wiring, good running motor, no major leaks, frame/suspension issues, tie rods, drag links steering system tight etc. Yes, you need to go through them, smart to replace brake lines and hoses etc.

The old 2 piece rims, electrical problems, longer stopping distances, single reservoir hydro brakes, are typical from that era, nothing like what you can get that is 20 years old or newer, so what though, this country is loaded with used single axle trucks, and anyone starting out in a variety of venues can still find something inexpensive, and make it roadworthy with some effort. Has to be done right, I mean some people may not realize that, and you see unsafe junk on the road which is wrong, especially fully loaded, the vehicle has to be in operating condition like it came from the factory, there is some work and expense involved, not all that hard, but you have to show up and do the work that it needs.

Ironcially, I've had my CDL since before there were CDL's, the state designation was a Class 1 here, and have driven many of the older trucks when they were more common, + some of the late model and new trucks, no doubt it's like night and day, but I'll tell you this old 1964 F-600 with 82,000 miles on it I've had for 2 years and kept road worthy, paid for itself on one job, I'd prefer something newer for everyday use, and for hauling full loads or anything heavy, I just hire out, but for light duty, it's great. I have not had to deal with D.O.T., that is what will make these trucks obsolete, more than anything else, mine passed inspection though. They are what they are, easy to work on, the electrical problems I had with it were all oxidized connections and or contacts, cleaned and or repaired those, everything works, use a little elbow grease, before you know it, and older truck in decent shape can be made very useful in my opinion.

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Glenn FitzGerald

11-04-2007 08:32:37




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
Listen to yourself....Confident people don't blast others! Your low self-esteem is no secret.

We can ALL learn from each other.


Glenn



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the Unforgiven

11-04-2007 08:32:15




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
It's really not worth beating anymore, time will bear out your argument. Binders and threshing machines do a good job and are cheap to purchase but you don't see a lot of them being used anymore. Change is the only thing that remains the same.



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:43:07




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to the Unforgiven, 11-04-2007 08:32:15  
that was a good comment



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Doug N

11-04-2007 07:59:55




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
If you 've been reading these posts for awhile then you should know that hardly ANYONE reads these post all the way thru before they answer. Don't let it bother you. If you're bothered by it and show it like you are it will just keep going.



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:23:07




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Doug N, 11-04-2007 07:59:55  
Something cut my sentence short. I enjoy watching it happen!



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:16:58




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Doug N, 11-04-2007 07:59:55  
I don't mind getting peoples feathers ruffeled up. I really enjoy watching happen!



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1206SWMO

11-04-2007 18:12:37




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:16:58  
At long last you revealed why you are on here.



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Verniee

11-04-2007 08:21:56




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:16:58  
"I don't mind getting peoples feathers ruffeled up. I really enjoy watching happen"

YOU have a masters degree? I don't think so.

Maybe you should master fourth grade spelling and grammar first.



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:24:37




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Verniee, 11-04-2007 08:21:56  
I never said that I could spell.



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Verniee

11-04-2007 08:28:01




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:24:37  
"I never said that I could spell. "

But drinking beer on your great granddaddy's front porch, while collecting rent from his land, qualifies you to tell others how to farm?



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:36:14




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Verniee, 11-04-2007 08:28:01  
I own my own house. 3000 sq. foot to be exact. I have made my money by rebuilding machinery for other farmers in the winter, and farming with my family, and working full-time. I started working on other peoples equipment with a friend of mine when we were 15 years old. My friend is a farmers too. He is 30 years old and farms with his family. I almost forgot to mention, he has a full time job too, and his family farms 3000 acres. Stop trying to judge people that you cannot understand.

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Verniee

11-04-2007 08:58:23




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:36:14  
" Stop trying to judge people that you cannot understand"

I understand you perfectly, even though you seem to have a bit of a problem with basic English.

And for what it's worth, I was toying with you. I wanted to see if you were really an arrogant dikkhead or just a misunderstood young man.

Turns out I was right with my first conclusion.



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Verniee

11-04-2007 07:54:42




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
" I enjoy getting paid to hold that swing down and drink my beer. Im a fourth generation south central IL farmer that is 31 years old, I don"t want to here someone rag on my capabilities or how I USED to farm. I have a masters degree in agricultural business management, so If you want to argue how you can justify things go right ahead"

Let me translate your post for you;

You are young, arrogant dikkhead that spent many years going to college to get a masters degree in farming so you could sit on a swing drinking beer and telling working farmers how to do it.

You are getting paid by working farmers to farm the land that three generations before you busted their hump for so you could sit on a swing , on the front porch of the house granddaddy built, drinking beer and telling others what they are doing wrong.

It must be nice to be so wise and worldly at the ripe old age of THIRTY ONE!!!.

I have pimples on my asss that are older than that, kid.

Go pretend to know something somewhere else. And by the way, when you went to college for years to get this masters degree, did you ever have to take a course in basic English?

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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:14:25




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Verniee, 11-04-2007 07:54:42  
Let me translate your post for you.

Basic English hugh? You should really check your spelling. I will admit, it did take me years to get that degree. 12 years to be exact. I decided to go over and play in the big sandbox called Iraq so that I could have enough money to finish my degree. I just finished my degree this summer. I took all those classes on nights and weekends because I have worked my butt off all my life. Do you have that much devotion? Once again, READ, MY OPINION!

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Verniee

11-04-2007 08:23:33




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:14:25  
"Basic English hugh"

My name is not "hugh".



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:25:43




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Verniee, 11-04-2007 08:23:33  
You really need a dictonary.



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Verniee

11-04-2007 08:30:40




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:25:43  
"You really need a dictonary."

Perhaps you might find one for yourself. Then you would learn how to spell the plural form of "ruffle".



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chuck craig in SUNNY SOCA

11-04-2007 17:20:52




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Verniee, 11-04-2007 08:30:40  
I thought the useage of "ruffled" was PAST TENSE



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:42:12




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to Verniee, 11-04-2007 08:30:40  
Have you ever used spell check?
Stop being so dumb.
Your starting to remined me of my first wife.



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D17 man

11-04-2007 07:34:40




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:27:00  
i havent read the all of the last threads and this has probably been said. but these "junk farm trucks" are all alot of farmers can afford



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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 07:44:57




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to D17 man, 11-04-2007 07:34:40  
I understand this, I really do. The thing that gets me pissed off is that some guys think that they should be able to pull that truck out of the shed 1 day before they want to use it and it should be fine. I have one customer that thinks I should be able to produce 30 year old parts on the spot. I had to have a machine shop fabricate a part for his truck because its a common flaw for this part to fail, and all of my normal salvage yards that I use had the right part, but theres were broke too.

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paul

11-04-2007 07:59:07




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 07:44:57  
First I read of this series of threads as well.

Hauling grain is a short term deal for a small farm. We can't afford a semi truck. Only runs 30-60 trips a year, 10 mile or so round trip. Heck, I got tired of the insurance & licence & upkeep on a small truck, went to gravity wagons for the last few years.

Not sure I will look at the other threads, you seem to be picking a fight here with people who are trying to make a living as best they can.

That doesn't win you any points.

--->Paul

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johndeerejon

11-04-2007 08:20:32




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to paul, 11-04-2007 07:59:07  
I really don't care what everyone else thinks. Most of the people on here that want to argue don't have that much insite or thoughts to consider altenatives such as what you have done.



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paul

11-04-2007 18:28:22




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:20:32  
j> I really don't care what everyone else thinks.

That part kinda comes through real loud & clear.

--->Paul



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Dr. Jim

11-04-2007 09:10:21




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks part 3 in reply to johndeerejon, 11-04-2007 08:20:32  
Comments on this forum are OPINIONS, nothing etched in stone ...

There is much to be gained by using this forum as the intended avenue of resource .

Participate by using appropriate dispatch, or, just read ; don't be boy's trying to act like Men !

You are only shortening lives ment for a longer, better reason and good.

Per seŽ If you did this to your wives you soon would be moving your bed to the garage/barn.....

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