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Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage-

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Dave from MN

11-06-2007 09:20:22




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in your area. I have seen more moldboard plowing and discing this fall in this area than I have seen in years. Quite a few of the Mintill/no till farmers have big ol plows sitting in their farm or on the back of tractors woking the soil this fall. Also , i am seeing a heck of alot of windbreak, woods, and low land clearing and tilling. I am really surprised. You would think that with the windbreaks being cut down yoiu would want to do no till, not plowing. Are the benifits of no till not as great as first thought, and now some are going back to conventional. I do not like to see all the land clearing, there was a reason our fore fathers planted them tree's many years ago. What are you seeing in your area.

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Don-Wi

11-07-2007 00:21:21




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
The last few years we've renetd a disc chisel in the fall for corn, but this year everything is getting turned with the moldboard. We always plow under the old hayfields after we decide to put them in corn. We'll take the 1st crop off and then hit it with the plow.

We've tried the chisel plow a couple times with very limited success on turning old alfalfa into corn. 1 pass doesn't kill it all, and if you work it 2x with the chisel, you might as well do it 1x with the moldboard. Our 4 bottom has a harrow on it so it makes a pretty nice level field when it's done.

I have even noticed that over the last few years, some of our more stubborn/hard fields have been mellowing out a little bit, but I'm a little bit older now and can wait to get out there till it's dry. 2 passes with the cultivator and it's ready for corn. 3 and it's ready for oats/alfalfa again.

Some of the bigger guys are getting into the plow a little more again, and other's never gave it up. All of the farmers around here still use their plow to some extent, but chisel plows are still pretty common.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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730virgil

11-06-2007 19:59:25




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
one of my neighbors chisel plows all his corn with an old dmi chisel plow. first they shred the stalks them they bale some of them for bedding. then they chisel. they plant corn at least week to ten days sooner than the no-till guys. his corn always looks better all summer than the no-till.



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Dairy farmer in WI

11-06-2007 18:16:28




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
shoot! i moldboard plow in the fall, disc and run the digger allover my tilled fields in teh fall. tehn just gotta disc, pick rocs, and drag, and whambo i'm ready to go in the spring. yeah i plow the old fashioned way but i figure it brings up better siol and losens the field up a bit so it ain't so rough when i combine.
DF in WI



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paul

11-06-2007 16:29:00




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
There is very little to no minimum till done in my county. Lot of folks went to rippers or DMI or whatever you want to call it.

With the corn prices of the last 14 months, a lot have gone to corn on corn, and the molboard plows have come back out. See them everywhere.

Not all that many put them away around here, tho, to start with. Bean ground is lightly tills in fall, but stalks were prob 50% plowed, 50% ripped.

--->Paul

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GordoSD

11-06-2007 16:23:25




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
Have not seen a moldboard plow in a field anywhere in SD for at least 15 years. Disc rippers and chisels weapons of choice when trying to put lowland (wet) areas back in production, (dry them out). One farmer in the surrounding 4 townships, disc rips everything every year. He started out with 8 quarters of land he and his wife inherited. The bank has got 4 of them so far.

Gordo



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Hugh MacKay

11-06-2007 14:11:09




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
Dave: As I see it, we will go back to plowing every 4-5 years, just as we did when 60% of the land was hay.



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jimont

11-06-2007 14:26:54




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-06-2007 14:11:09  
Hugh - You're right on. We're about the same age. How many times, over the years, have the "experts" told us to get rid of the plow, then 8-10 yrs later say,"Hey, remember that old plow, better bring her back out of the shed again!" I know I've heard it many times!



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Hugh MacKay

11-06-2007 15:30:58




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to jimont, 11-06-2007 14:26:54  
Jim: I've had my fingers in the soil well over a half century. I remember once, wasn't quite ten years old, my dad was studying an unfamiliar field, trying to decide the best way to plow it to come up with a level seed bed. I've had that drilled in me since a kid, "moldboard plow was the first tool of levelling a field."

I've never seen a field one didn't ocasionally make rut. I know some of these combine headers are flexable, but not quite flexable enough to dip into some the uneveness I've seen in notill fields. Those headers have got to be going over beans on the bottom of a significant number of plants. While I say that, there has also been a crowd come out of ag colleges in the 70s, 80s and 90s that could develop an obstacle course with moldboard plow. Friend of mine in Nova Scotia hosted a plow day. Bear in mind you could drive a Toyota or a Cadilac anywhere on his farm at 50 mph. I dropped by the day after the plow day. He had holes 2' deep. I said, "what are you going to do" His responce, " I think if I fabricate a levelling plank for my chisel plow, if that doesn't get it I'll have to fire up my old bulldozer.

Part that amazes me many, many farms have land levellers today. Makes you sometimes wonder how our dad's kept these fields level with an old 30-40 hp row crop, 2-3 bottom trailer plow, drag disk and an old flat tooth spring tooth harrow. My dad always said if you can't drive a 59 Chevy sedan 50 mph on a field, someone screwed up on tillage. Now, do you ever remember any car that bottomed out easier than a 59 Chevy.

I was at a farm event here in Middlesex Co., a group of farmers were discussing the use of V rippers and chisel plows. I've had little experience with these tillage tools, thus I listened closely. Two of these guy had been moldboard plowing and using chisel plow on headlands. Both were remarking how rough their headlands were becomming.

One of the things that surprised me moving here from Nova Scotia was the number of rough fields in cash crop country, both tillage and non tillage. I haven't been on a lot of those fields, however if you watch a tractor from the road, not hard to pick the rough fields, and the percentage is much higher than I expected. Why some of those old New Brunswick lumberjacks don't have any rougher ride in a forestry skidder.

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E.B. Haymakin'

11-06-2007 18:51:19




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-06-2007 15:30:58  
I have to admit the one time I borrowed a two bottom plow to till the garden it was a total disaster! One day I am going to buy a plow, and learn it. In the Mobile area of Alabama I have only seen the plows used on vegetable fields.



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higgins

11-06-2007 13:54:47




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
WGN farm program a month or so ago was doing the soil scientist profile episodes and he said it needed plowing every 3-4 years because the trash wasn't getting incorporated back into the soil and that it is needed to chelate some nutrients. At least that is what I think I remembered from his rambling from the dirt hole he was pointing stuff out in...



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RobMD

11-06-2007 13:40:22




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
Tillage is coming back in this no-till area for a reason: Over the years, the ground gets so compacted and hard from lack of tillage that corn cannot spread their roots.

Seeing a lot of discing and clod busting with steigers.



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RustyFarmall

11-06-2007 13:13:32




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
seeing quite a bit of disking of cornstalks. Something about the round-up ready corn stalks do not decompose over the winter like conventional corn does, so it has to be helped along a bit.



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El Toro

11-06-2007 13:28:53




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-06-2007 13:13:32  
I see the Amish in PA using a big rotary mower with an engine. It sounded like a Wisconsin and was being pulled by 3 big mules chopping up those corn stalks. I bought a Troy Bilt chipper shredder to shred my sweet corn stalks since my big rotary didn't chew them up enough. I found it did a better job of shredding if I made a big corn shock and let it dry for a month or two. Then I plowed it all under. Hal

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rrlund

11-06-2007 12:42:33




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
I've gone from no til to chisel plowing on second year corn. Tried no til coming out of alfalfa to corn with limited success,so I've gone to mold board plowing sod to corn. Also went from chiseling back to moldboard plowing to go back to alfalfa. Covers the trash and makes it easier to get a level field.



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Spook

11-06-2007 12:37:35




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
I saw fields that had not been planted since I moved here 22 years ago cropped. I saw some pretty old planters out in the field too. And the price of old combines seems to have gone up. I think the price of corn & beans is putting otherwise idle land back into production.



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glennster

11-06-2007 09:31:41




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to Dave from MN, 11-06-2007 09:20:22  
seen it too going on here in north central il. moldboards are out, v-rippers, disk rippers and chisel plows. we did have a problem with corn borers in our area this year, getting the stalks under seems to get rid of em.



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Ken Macfarlane

11-06-2007 13:44:56




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 Re: Any one else seeing return to conventional tillage- in reply to glennster, 11-06-2007 09:31:41  
I think there is just a lot more corn going in that in years past. Lot of idle equipment pressed into service to get more acres in.

Acres of corn planted was up 400% I think I read from 2005 to 2006 in our province.



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