TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Farmall & International Ferguson Ford & New Holland John Deere Massey Ferguson Massey Harris Minneapolis Moline Oliver & Cockshutt Kubota / Yanmar

TRACTOR MANUALS

Allis Chalmers	Case	Farmall IH	Ford 8N,9N,2N	Ford
Ferguson	John Deere	Massey Ferguson	Minn. Moline	Oliver

Tractor Talk Discussion Forum

Ford 8N Tractor 1952

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register

Author

Dan Duebber

11-07-2007 12:46:43

Report to Moderator

Ford 8 N Tractor is our everyday work tractor around the barn. I have had the same trouble for about two years now and I am now totally out of ideas on how to fix it. Tractor runs for 10 to 15 minutes.....then quits. It will restart immediately if I "kick start it" but will not restart using the starter motor. I have replaced the following: Ignition switch, volt. reg., wiring harness, both battery cables, starter and solenoid, all wires to the dist. + ignition wires, I also installed a rebuilt generator. I have replaced the points and condensor numerous times and the distributor is a factory replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I thought I finally had it by replacing so many new parts ..... ...but it's doing the exact same thing again.

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Tradititonal Farmer

11-08-2007 11:45:20

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-07-2007 12:46:43

Its an N Model Ford they love constant attention and need to be worked on often.

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

tg in VA

11-07-2007 18:40:38

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-07-2007 12:46:43

Some of those "N" series Fords had a fuse behind the dash. A friend of mine had a similar problem with a 9N and replacing the fuse fixed it.

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Bob

11-08-2007 08:32:44

Report to Moderator

NO FUSE in reply to tg in VA, 11-07-2007 18:40:38

Unless it's been "farmerized".

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 05:15:09

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to tg in VA, 11-07-2007 18:40:38

Thank you. I will look for that. I'm fairly certain that the 52 does not have that setup...
but I will CERTAINLY check. Thank you.
Best,
Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

mowr

11-07-2007 15:35:20

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-07-2007 12:46:43

'Old' gives good advice concerning the fuel tank vent. If the gas cap has been replaced with one intended for a modern car, it won't be vented and will cause this problem. Your tractor requires a fully vented cap; no pressure, no vacuum. If you don't have the proper cap, New Holland may be able to send you one free. Check the archives on this forum for details about that.

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 05:17:47

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to mowr, 11-07-2007 15:35:20

Thank you. I would not have known about that. I think that the cap is the originalas it is loose and does not have a tight seal.
Thank you, again.
Best,
Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

RAB

11-07-2007 14:45:42

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-07-2007 12:46:43

Instead of changing more and more things (ultimate change is the tractor!), first find if it fails due to spark or fuel. Check for spark (strong and blue), and then for a continuous full fuel feed (for at least a minute) from the carb drain. Then investigate the system (ignition or fuel) which is at fault and leave the other one alone. Saves money, saves time and saves wasted effort. Also gets the fault found and eliminated.
Diagnosis, diagnosis, diagnosis every time. If your doctor worked the same way as you, you would be all spare parts by now!!
RAB

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 05:27:12

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to RAB, 11-07-2007 14:45:42

First of all..You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. After two years of frustration and several forum sumissions I finally decided that I would replace all of the items that are impacted by the electrical system as I have tried the "carb flow drain plug", color and intensity of the spark, etc. I can't count the number of times that I started to diagnose in the field where it died last, replacing condensors, ignt. switches, coils, etc. and usually the tractor restarted and I got it back to the barn only to find that the next time I used it...it did the same thing.
I'm not some 16 year old kid, as I have worked on vehicles for 40 years with some success. This is just throughly frustrating that a system so basic has me totally stumped. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.
Best,
Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

RAB

11-08-2007 08:22:51

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-08-2007 05:27:12

I would suggest that when you try to restart with the starter motor, you will be short of a spark. that would probably lead me to think I have a low voltage somewhere or in other words a high resistance contact somewhere in the wiring. You probably need to find it. It should not be too difficult provided you use a meter and not just try wriggling every connection in an atttempt to get it restarted rather than searching for the fault. Alternatively it could be something on the fuel sidejust blocking a jet and falling away. That's why I say diagnosis, diagnosis, diagnosis.

RAB

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

rocketman1946

11-07-2007 13:45:51

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-07-2007 12:46:43

Had a similer problem with my Fergie TO30 - acted exactly like yours - mine was (I think) a fuel problem - although I removed and cleaned the sediment bowl AND the shutoff/fuel feed that goes up in the tank, replaced most of the same parts you did, what fixed mine was opening the gas shutoff all the way, allowing the reserve system to feed the carb. also ... hasn't given me a problem in the last couple of months now.

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 05:32:47

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to rocketman1946, 11-07-2007 13:45:51

Hi,
Thank you for the response. I run the tractor with the shutoff at the sediment bowl open fully. Is there another fuel screen inside the gas tank? What is so odd is that it won't start by the starter motor but starts immediately if I kick start it. You have to have fuel for that. This is why I have concentrated on the electrical system rather than the fuel supply. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. THANK YOU.
Best, Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Ken Crisman

11-07-2007 13:38:27

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-07-2007 12:46:43

Hi , you didn't say if you've changed the coil or checked the resistor or treminal block . Have you taken the plug out of the carb bottom to see if you have water or junk in it ? Make sure all & every electrical connection is clean & brite . Smear some dielectric grease on all connections . Are you sure you're getting spark & you have current thru the ignition switch . HTH ! Don't give up , someone will help ya find your problem soon . You also could try the ntractor & add the word club site for help . Good luck & God bless .

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 05:36:09

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Ken Crisman, 11-07-2007 13:38:27

Ken,
Thank you for the reply. I replaced the coil twice. The system is 6 volt and I do not believe that the 1952 model had a resistor block. I DID replace the fiber block that is a junction for connecting several of the wires going to the ignt. switch and to the regulator. Thank you for your input.
Best, Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Bob

11-07-2007 16:52:53

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Ken Crisman, 11-07-2007 13:38:27

Ken,

"Late" 8N's don't have a ballast resistor, and, since it's a "round-can coil" style, if it HAS been converted to 12-Volts, it's better to run a "real" 12-Volt round-can coil than to mess with resistors.

If it's still 6-Volts, I would advise running a jumper wire from the battery right to the switch side of the coil, to bypass the ignition switch, and any connections that may be "poor".

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

old

11-07-2007 13:26:09

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-07-2007 12:46:43

Fuel tank vent might be clogged and if so it will cause that problem. Take off the gas cap the next time it does that and see if that helps. Also could be a clogged fuel line letting just enough gas to the carb to run for 10-15 minutes then it starves for fuel

Hobby farm

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 05:42:50

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to old, 11-07-2007 13:26:09

Old,
Thank you. The more that I receive input from you, I'm beginning to think that my problem may be fuel related and not electrical. The reason that I stayed with the electrical for so long was that once the engine restarted, it RAN so I didn't feel that fuel supply was the issue. Perhaps I'm wrong, and have been wrong all along. I know with winter coming I better figure this out fast. How do you access the inside of the fuel tank? Best, Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

old

11-08-2007 07:16:03

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-08-2007 05:42:50

Well for the most part you can't get into it. On the 8N the tank vent is on the top some place behind the gas cap. Some times you can use a screw driver etc. to get to it and clean around it. You also may want to remove the sediment bowl assembly and make sure the screen on it is clean and also that the sreen in it is good and clean. Some time you can also hook compressed air to the fuel line and blow back into the tank and clear the vent if its not clogged to badly

Hobby farm

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Jim in NY

11-07-2007 18:13:23

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to old, 11-07-2007 13:26:09

Try looking at the fuel shut off valve "screen"
inside the tank... the engine may be demanding more than the flow rate will allow and consequently runout of fuel, especially at greater than idle rpm's.

I changed my fuel shutoff valve last week on the tank and it was clogged solid for the first inch and then clear after that, so when i had alot of fuel in it , it was fine but otherwise it used up what it needed and then starved out and stalled. Hope this hepls.

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 05:49:41

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Jim in NY, 11-07-2007 18:13:23

Jim,
Hello,
I'm beginning to think that you and the other forum member are on to the correct solution. How do I access the inner screed inside the tank? The screen at the float bowl has been cleaned or replaced at least a dozen times. I was not aware that there is a screen inside the tank. I have an Allis Chalmers WD45 that has had the same problem that you describe but the engine never stopped running, it just had no power to pull a load. When I unscrewed the float bowl shut off at the bottom of the gas tank the clog was obvious. Thank you, again.
Best,
Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Bob

11-08-2007 08:39:49

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Dan Duebber, 11-08-2007 05:49:41

Here you are ("STOLEN" from Ken N Tex)...

Third Party Image

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

Dan Duebber

11-08-2007 08:55:55

Report to Moderator

Re: Ford 8N Tractor 1952 in reply to Bob, 11-08-2007 08:39:49

NOW..... ..I understand. Thank you. A picture really is worth a thousand words. Thank you.
Best,
Dan Duebber

[Log in to Reply] [No Email]

[Options] [Printer Friendly] [Posting Help] [Return to Forum] [Log in to Reply]

TRACTOR PARTS	TRACTOR MANUALS

We sell tractor parts! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home | Forums

Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.
All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy