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unethical deer hunters and dealing with them?

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havvey

11-11-2007 19:31:03




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I won't say what happened but have you landowners had to deal with this? What was the outcome? ex: shooting to close to your house shooting on posted land shooting from a vechile etc.




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ChadS

11-13-2007 06:15:17




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
15 years afo, my dad heard some shots well after dark, sounded like outside his front door. He and mom jumped into their truck and went down the road. parked on dads property, he found a car full of drunk teen agers, (under18yrs old) he pulls up to the car with headlights on,, one of the little punks had a 22 rifle with a laser pointer tapred tothe end pf the barrel, and a flashlight taped to it too. he got out of the car, with that gun was gonna shoot my dad!!!

Meanwhile, I walked down where they were, nobody knew I was there,, but I was very close by,,, when he got out of his back set of his car with the gun, dad jumped out and started running towards them, well the kid being so drunk, he fell over, or tripped.

lets just say,he was forced to be disarmed.
Now here is the interesting part,,,
called the sherriff,,, told em we got a car load of drunk kids with guns got caught, and we had em at bay,, come and get em.
You know what they said? write down the plate number of the car and we will send a car down in the morning to take your statement. til then, let em go.
Severley upset, we called the town police, and he was there ASAP,,, with about 5 other officers, arrested them and hauled their butts to jail. for the night.
Parents bailed them out,, they hassled us by driving by the farm, yelling all sorts of threats to our family, etc etc,,,
wasnt two weeks later, they caught the same kids robbing a house, stealing hunting rifles etc etc.. Some other thefts had happened in the area too, but the prints ran, matched up to a crime scene, and they all went up the creek. for about 15 years!
Somtimes, you get lucky, and not get shot while defending your land. so, use your best judegement before going off and being captain hero and handle something by yourself,,,, you have no idea who you are walking up on, or what they are doing,
Deer cant dial 911 on a cell phone after the fact, now can they?? be careful, and use your heads. JMHO. ChadS

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730virgil

11-12-2007 21:14:39




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
we have a problem with idiot deer hunters in our township come saturday we will have more game wardens on our road than hair on a dog.



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

11-12-2007 20:03:31




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to njm, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
In many sates it is illegal to cross onto fenced land for the purpose of hunting without having permission. No signs needed.



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Dachshund

11-12-2007 19:38:55




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
I've run into the same thing in the past with relation.
This Saturday was opening day. Neighbor had 3 clowns out running around without blaze orange. I had a guy shoot at a deer from the road. The deer was about 50 yards behind my house. I got his plate number and run him off. He wasn't happy when I took a photo of him and his truck.



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Walt Davies

11-12-2007 17:58:31




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
Down on the other farm that we get our hay from I was bush hogging a new place to plant next year. About half way though I saw my neighbor come in driving his pickup and then stop by by a little feeder thing, since I hadn't reach that spot yet so I didn't know what it was for. when i got over there I saw it was a Salt lick and he had just put out some fresh corn and other feed and some apples. Now that's what I call a good hunter. Oh he has two stands up where he can watch this spot from both sides.
He never said anything to me but we did talk some when passing on the road in an out of the farm.
When my Buddy who rents the place for farming came back from Mexico this fall my neighbor asked who gave me permission to bush hog hid hunting grounds. BUMMER I think it was the owner of the property who told me to do it well he said he owned it anyway now I'm wondering about that with the way some of you guys talk.
Wait till next year he will have to find another hunting spot if he messes with my hay field.
should i turn him in for hunting near a salt lick or just let him go. Never did like the guy he thinks he's better than I am because he was born here. You know how that is.
Walt (done griping for now)

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MF Poor

11-12-2007 04:58:27




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
I spent saturday morning bush hogging with a couple "hunters" on the property next to mine. The owner died 8 months ago, and NO ONE has permission to be on the property, muchless hunting on it. I called the Possum Cops, but they were a might bit busy saturday and didn"t get there until the shooting stopped. I had several deer run across the pasture I was cutting, so I suspect they were hunting near the edge of the property. I was expecting a bullet to fly by at any second. I heard 8 to 10 shots in 2 hours. My guess is they were shooting at anything they saw moving. Just glad it wasn"t me they saw.

As Forrest Gump would say, "Stupid is as stupid does". And stupid with a gun can be VERY stupid.

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Josey Wales

11-12-2007 16:50:28




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to MF Poor, 11-12-2007 04:58:27  
Before calling someone stupid I would stop guessing and get some facts.I have a neighbor that gets all bent out of shape when someone shoots one of 'her' deer nevermind it was not on her property she owns 5 acres and thinks she can control 5,000.



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MF Poor

11-12-2007 17:39:48




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to Josey Wales, 11-12-2007 16:50:28  
Let's see. What is it you don't (can't) understand. The property is in an estate with no known heirs. NO ONE should be on the property, muchless hunting on it. The property is surrounded on 3 sides by homes. There is virtually no direction anyone could shoot without firing in the general direction of homes (with kids present) Anyone who would poach isn't expected to be very responsible or inteligent. That ISN'T a guess. It's not uncommon for stupid people to defend their own kind.

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Josey Wales

11-12-2007 17:58:03




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to MF Poor, 11-12-2007 17:39:48  
If there are no known heirs then who is it to say there is no trespassing on it? Certainly not you.In order to enforce a no trespass the OWNER has to sign off.Living next to the property gives you no rights over it. Actually it will become property of state if no heirs are found and then everyone in the state will own it collectively.



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MF Poor

11-12-2007 18:25:33




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to Josey Wales, 11-12-2007 17:58:03  
Court ordered no tresspassing. Simple as that. Land closed to ALL until it's disposition is determined.

I don't try to claim rights over the property. I do have a say in what happens involving MY property. I do have a say in what endangers my saftey and that of my family. The ground they were hunting on is only 12 acres. That's not exactly enought to be shooting towards the perimiter of the property. Poachers who can't follow laws or use weapons in a responsible manner concern me. Obviously they don't concern you. Maybe that would be different if it was YOUR house they were shooting towards.

I'm a hunter myself. I have no problem with hunting in a responsible manner. It's people who totally disregard the law by hunting on someone elses property without permission, and without regard to the saftey of the general public that I have problems with.

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Josey Wales

11-12-2007 04:48:11




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
MY #1 problem are deer so the best way I know to get rid of them is for someone to shoot them.I have made many friends and never have a fence cut,mailbox busted or the many problems that some folks seem to have probably because I let people hunt deer.Big deal they are killing what I think is a species that should be classified with coyotes and groundhogs anyway.The good hunters will deal with the slobs most of the time and I don't have to get involved.Plus I can plant a garden or crop and not have it eaten up.
Can always tell when a city fellow buys a little piece of land always throw up the posted signs.

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philcaseinWPA

11-12-2007 05:52:11




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to Josey Wales, 11-12-2007 04:48:11  
I agree with you. Most of the hunters I have on my property are pretty good. Some can be a pia when they want to stand around and bs while I'm trying to get some work done "Where are the deer?" "All around. You're supposed to be the hunter". Can't say the same about dove hunters. I have a neighbor that is good about it but some of those guys just go out to see how many boxes of shells they can use up. Then they leave the used shell lying around. That really bugs my wife. I don't allow many people to do dove hunting and I don't allow trapping because of our cats that also like to hunt. Most hunters around here are pretty respectful of my property rights ... now dirt bikes and quads... don't get me started!
Phil

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VaTom

11-12-2007 04:32:43




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
I lease hunting here to the same 5 guys every year. Solved all my illegal hunting problems. They pay and they run illegal hunters off, like Spook everybody's experience here. The disreputable locals got the message after a couple of years, leave me alone now.

In Virginia, liability's no issue if the payment is less than the property tax. I keep my rates low enough to have extremely appreciative hunters.

Muzzleloaders in now. 5 deer, 1 coyote taken so far. Would be more deer but they're real picky about buck size.

Everybody, including me, thoroughly enjoys the season here. They tell me where to look for turkeys. I prefer a rifle to making funny noises.

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TGIN

11-12-2007 04:05:23




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
Spook has the idea . I tend about 1000 acres and alot of it is hills rocks and brier bushes . In yrs. past I did`nt get to hunt for patroling our property which I could`nt keep up with . Now I have the property cut into 4 differant areas and lease them out . These guys tend it better than I can . The lease runs from the first of bow season , oct. 1 to the end of muzzleloader about the first of the yr. I`ve had the same guys for a few yrs. and I let them in alittle early to scout and hang stands . They are glad to pay and glad to keep the riff raff out and I`ve kept about 200 a. for me and my buddys . It helps when the locals know you aint afraid to protect what is yous too !! I have one area that is leased to 5 people and another has 4 but for the most part there`s only one of`em and 1 on the other but they all want a place they can go when they want to . I charge per person , dont matter if they hunt or not . It`s been a big help to me and I`m making alittle money .

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Boley

11-11-2007 21:43:05




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
I've had fewer instances of unethical hunters doing damage here recently than in years past.Trespassing 4 wheeler riders cause me more misery now,cutting fences,making trails that cause erosion problems and aggravating to stock,wildlife,and me.I deal with bad hunters and riders the same when I get to confront them,just as a crazy person would.So far I haven't been shot,nor had my house burned.Two I recognized did shoot me a bird when I met them on the road later,and my mailbox has had some rough treatment that I attribute to ones I had words with.That's the worst I've gotten for very impolite behavior on my part defending the only spot on earth that I have dominion over.

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georgeky

11-11-2007 20:58:36




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
Yes, I have. Had a drunk once stick a 357 magnum to my throat and pull the hammer back. Told me he owned my land and would blow my brains all over the cab of my truck. His buddies talked him down and I left. Thank God. I sneaked back through the woods with my rifle to where I left them with intentions of taking care of it myself. I thank God every morning that they were gone, or I may be in the pen now. Had two show up here yesterday and try to go through my locked gate. I was watching from the shop, and heard one tell the other the gate was locked. Then the other guy said we will just go around. I ran them off after a good lecture. Had my 45 on my hip and a buddy covering my back with the 270. It is silly what some of these guys will do to deer hunt and get drunk. Not all are this way. I do let a couple hunt and have no problems at all out of them. They even help out on the farm a little every once in a while.

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Dachshund

11-13-2007 05:31:23




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to georgeky, 11-11-2007 20:58:36  
Yup. I've had other people tell me they have hunting rights or they tell me the guy who used to own the property told them they could hunt there.



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Mark - IN.

11-12-2007 22:49:43




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to georgeky, 11-11-2007 20:58:36  
Yep, yep. If you are going to confront those guys, having an arm yourself for your protection is not a bad idea, in my opinion. Them guys can get crazy. Real crazy. When a guy tells you on your property that he is hunting his property and knows darn well it aint his property, at the same time that you know it aint his property, and he wants to argue it and get loud about it, he's liable to get stupid. I've confronted those guys, stearnly and made sure that I was back far enough to have to make a move if I had to, and gave them that sense as well. I didn't threaten them, but they got the picture and knew darn well they weren't hunting their property, so don't even try that one, because thats when the reasoning ends. When out on the property this time of the year, I always carry in the truck or on the tractor. Them guys can get stupid, and I work with one of them type of guys. He's been popped twice by the game warden and brags about still doing it as though he's doing nothing wrong. Third time caught and he's done hunting in the state, if someone doesn't take care of him first. No poacher has ever pointed a gun at me, but I know of those whom have been pointed at by poachers, and there's always a first time. Them guys can get real crazy real fast, and so far I've been lucky to only argue them gone. I had one pair, about 18ish leave peacefully after losing their BS arguement after shooting at a deer in my general direction on my property, then come back with one of their fathers, and he wanted to argue their licenses allowing them to hunt on my property. He lost too.

Be careful, and careful dealing with them guys.

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I wanna Farmall

11-12-2007 14:43:43




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to georgeky, 11-11-2007 20:58:36  
Glad they were gone, you bring alot to this site!!



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I wanna Farmall

11-12-2007 14:42:57




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Glad they were gone, you bring alot to this site!!



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midwest redneck

11-12-2007 01:50:30




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to georgeky, 11-11-2007 20:58:36  
Did you get that drunk turned into the cops?



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Bob Kerr

11-11-2007 20:31:47




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
Around these parts all of what you mentioned is illegal so take pictures of their truck and them and call the law. I had a friend get a real nice shotgun once for free. The guy hunting was on a felony probation and was not allowed to carry a gun so he tossed it in the weeds when the DNR pulled up. My friend asked the DNR about it and said the guy said he wasn"t hunting so it must be just a gun you found but I can run the numbers to make sure it isn"t stolen! The guy lied of course and said his dog had ran off and he saw it on my buddies place. The trespasser never came back for the gun.

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kyplowboy

11-11-2007 20:31:26




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
I agree with spook. I have been on both sides of this. My grandfather try"d for years to keep the white trash off our farm. While I was in college I worked in tobacco for a farmer. He was always run"n off trash too. I worked out a deal with my boss. He printed off a leagal looking lease agreement, me and a buddy signed it. We posted the place and hunted there by ourselves. We told every one who we saw on the farm we paid good money (hey $1 is "good") to lease it and they needed to move on worked good. Now I lease my farm and my grandmothers to a buddy, he can hunt there as long as he wants as long as he runs every one else off.

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Spook

11-11-2007 20:10:27




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
I wrestled with this for years. I cannot see most of my property from the house, nor do i have the time during the various hunting seasons to monitor the situation. I had problems with people hunting too close to the house - within 20 feet of my front door. I had fences cut, trash strewn all over my property. One day I came home and my yard hydrant was going full blast - and had been probably all day. I don't begrudge a man a drink of water, but did he have to leave the water running? I was walking my fences one year with my BIL, and I noticed several beer bottles on the ground. I started picking them up and was getting pretty vocal about it, as I had horses and didn't want any more vet bills from a horse stepping on the glass. I heard something looked up, and there was some white trash guy sitting in a tree stand, built into my tree! i told him to clear off! He said " Irv said it was ok" - I said I am Irv, and I don't know who the heck you are! He was throwing his empties over his shoulder, into the pasture. The ground he was facing was my property for 1000 feet. He was 200 ft from the nearest property line. A couple years later he got arrested for running a meth lab. Anyway I won't bore you with any more war stories. I found a solution, and that was to let a friend of mine and his kids hunt my property exclusively. You might find renting it out will even make you some money. They post the property, they are out there from 0 dark thirty to 0 dark thirty! I trust them, they treat the property as their own, and I have had zero problems with hunters since. They run off the goofs, since it is "their" hunting ground. I go hunting myself or used to, up north. I grew up hunting and fishing. But I have concluded that the average hunter is a slob. And judging from all the "NO HUNTING" signs I see up, a lot of other property owner's agree. BTW I edited this to get it thru the potty filter, I am not normally this polite to idiots.

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steve from mo - dangit!

11-11-2007 19:44:03




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 Re: unethical deer hunters and dealing with them? in reply to havvey, 11-11-2007 19:31:03  
This really is a problem for law enforcement to deal with. Sheriff or Fish and Game/Conservation Department.These so-called sportsmen can be drunk, drugged, or crazy, and they are carrying high-powered rifles. Your best bet is to use a camera and a telephone.



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