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OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built

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48C-MAN

12-12-2007 13:06:29




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Anyone out there ever built one themselves. And if so do you still have the plans and approx. price of materials. Thanks, Jeff




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36 coupe

12-14-2007 02:44:36




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
Go easy on this idea.Farmer lost his house this fall, looks like the wood boiler in an attached shed started the fire.Another problem is lime deposits that build up in supply pipes close to the fire box.If the circulator fails pressure can build.A new outside boiler went in to use near me.Its produces a lot of smoke.An extra length of stack has been added and now there is a ladder against the stack.Many towns are trying to control the use of these boilers because of smoke problems.Paid 3.05 for oil a few days ago,I get about 40% of my heat from wood.I use only poor or down trees.Most woodlots are badly overgrown.slabs from my saw mill get used in my stoves.Trees get stunted if they are growing too close.The future of oil burning looks bleak,much oil is wasted in air craft and large trucks hauling trash from Mass to a hugh landfill about 20 miles from here.Bought 2 gallons of kerosene for my lamps yesterday for 3.50 a gallon.Many people are buying furnace oil 5 gallons at a time here.Ive bought kerosene for 14 cents a gallon,paying 3.50 is hard.Must be a lot of people getting along with little heat around here.Minimum truck deliveries are 100 to 150 gallons here.My oil dealers truck broke down in late April this year and I found it was impossible to get oil from other dealers.One dealer was going to be in town on the day I called.He would only take cash and the 170.00 we had was not enough for him to stop even though he was going right by our place.I picked up a fellow who was hitch hiking with a 5 gallon can.He had a 50 gallon drum and his oil dealer could no longer fill it because of state law.He was a woodcutter and was out of work because of mud conditions in the woods.He could not afford a new tank or buy insurance on his truck.Do good laws punish poor people.

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topglock45

12-13-2007 16:28:10




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to Jim Johnson, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
AL-GORE wackjob blames everybody in America for Global-Warming !!!
Left-wingers who don't eat beef and blame farmers and loggers for the worlds problems.



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Bill in IL

12-13-2007 09:38:04




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
I am building one right now from an old kelley incinerator. ITs about 4' diameter and 4' long inside and lined with refractory so its perfect to start with. There in a company out of montana that makes the seton boiler that I am tring to model it after cause the design looks good. I would buy it if I could afford it. I am using a water tube type heat exchanger and a heating the incoming combustion air after it exits the water heat exchanger. Then this is going to sit inside a 20' shipping container so I have dry wood storage and a place to house the burner and I don't have to stand out in the wind while I stoke it. I hope to eventually get to the point where once I load the wood by hand on a dump trailer I can handle it with the loader from there. Stacking wood is the pitts so I hope to simplify this.

I will have to let you know once I get it going how it works. Right now I hope to have it going in 2 weeks but I usually can take any timeline of mine and double it.

I burn wood cause its cheap and someone else is not getting rich from me getting warm.

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dave guest

12-12-2007 19:55:47




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
Anybody use outdoor furnace within city limits? I can't get our inspector to talk about them. Michigan downstate.



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trucker40

12-12-2007 17:32:46




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
48C-MAN,You can find lots of different ones on the internet here,maybe Mother Earth News.I know they have plans for an oil burner on there,I printed it out and a still to make ethanol. As for JCH,you know Ive seen us go from burning wood to coal to kerosene to propane,now that I live in town,natural gas.The big reason that there is arguing about what we burn for heat is this,electric companies burn everything from coal to jet fuel or natural gas,tell me how much ends up in the atmosphere?All that they burn.Now electric companies want the natural gas,so what does it leave for us to burn?Thats why the prices are so high,and heat seems to be something that the people in charge think is secondary to big companies.You might not even have a choice where you live,and people like you trying to get it where you cannot burn wood is stupid. I bet when you dont have anything else to burn wood will be a lot better than zero in your house. The plain and simple facts are everybody cannot use electricity or the price we all pay will be a lot higher,plus in an ice storm like we are in now in the midwest we would freeze. You can hug your trees but you dont need to even think you are going to make anybody else hug them.We will burn anything to stay warm,so will you,and just be thankfull that when we burn stuff now,most of the time its way more efficient than it was for thousands of years before us.Smog is less than it was and theres a lot more cars on the road.Acid rain you dont hear about as much because we dont have a big steel industry anymore.That we dont have a steel industry like we did is very bad for us.Smokestacks dont put out the same pollution as they did because of advances in technology,baghouses,scrubbers,and some kind of electrical device that knocks pollutants out of the smoke.Now that we have all that stuff,I hope the steel industry comes back. If you feel a need to instruct people on what they should do while hugging your tree,why dont you tell these politicians to quit flying all over the place in airplanes,they burn way more fuel than I can even imagine,and for what? Also if we burned ethanol in our cars instead of gas,I bet that it would cut the bad stuff out of the air even more,and out of the water too,as most of the additives thats put in gas have been found poisoning our water we drink. Lots has been done,sure allways more can be done,but your griping at people who have little ability to do anything about it makes you look dumb.If you are so smart,use your brain to make more efficient use of something,rather than fill your head with useless statistics.It may not sound like it now,but some day you will realize we are all on the same side here.We want the Earth to be as healthy as possible,but what do you treehuggers do about volcanos or meteorites,comets,collisions with other planets,the Sun.I think all of those can surely hurt our planet much worse than man can,dont you?

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J.C.H.

12-13-2007 16:07:35




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to trucker40, 12-12-2007 17:32:46  
Calm down,take your Pill and consider how impolite you are. I in no way broached the subject of his character or ability,but you seem to delight in trying to shame me for expressing my beliefs. You are a very impolite person. Glad I don't have to have you for a friend,as an enemy you are batting 100%.



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RayP(MI)

12-12-2007 17:12:14




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
Whatever you do, don't do what a family here did>>>> they built a outside furnace in a wood enclosure right next to house (5 feet) and ducted hot air right off furnace into house. they lost their furnace and house the other day. Fire cheif said he'd never seen a house go so fast!



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onefarmer

12-12-2007 16:20:36




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 To answer the question asked in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
Try this

Link

Just do a google search. I used keywords: wood boiler plans



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buickanddeere

12-12-2007 16:14:26




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
There are used units sitting all over the couintry for less $$$ than purchasing the materials to build one. Let alone your time and redoing the job after th nornmal st timer oops's. Out door units are ok IF the wood is dry and the air door kept opened up for a clean bright free burning flame. Problem is a stove 2-3 times too large is often purchased. It's now stuffed completely full and the air damper almost closed in an attempt to only have to refuel once a day. Problem is now your the outdoor stove is a stinking, smoking and creosoot dripping fuel waster

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VaTom

12-13-2007 04:47:13




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to buickanddeere, 12-12-2007 16:14:26  
Exactly.

And before I hooked up the monster I dragged home I got a boiler guy out here. He explained how over-sized it was for my small need. Fortunately mine was used, didn't cost much.

My first thought was that I could load it once a week. Doesn't work that way.

Still sitting here if anybody wants one in central Va. Accepts a 4' log. Was originally the backup heat to the solar system for 7 apartments.

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Dblair

12-12-2007 14:22:09




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
you can't have a pressurized system and you can put a catalyst in the stack to clean the air . it's a simple system but not efficient . look up wood burning stoves on the Internet there are plenty of prints to copy and still have cheap heat,keep the atmosphere clean,and stop burning that oil that's breaking this country buying it from the Arabs.



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J.C.H.

12-12-2007 14:08:59




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to 48C-MAN, 12-12-2007 13:06:29  
Better hurry up. 12 States so far and numerous other Countries are proposing Legislation to Outlaw all forms of Wood Burning. Particulate Matters,Global Warming, Forest Depletion[ we obtain our Oxygen and rid our world of Carbon Dioxide by the Tree effect of nature] Respiratory concerns for infants,youngsters,oldsters,Asmatics and a host of other breathing problems of the world population, the practice of wood burning aggravates. The Deforestation of Brazil for instance is on the verge of a Civil War between the haves[Ranchers,Developers etc] of Forestry and the rest of the population who wish to have clean air to breathe. Have I convinced you to forget about this madness of "Wood Burning?" I doubt it. You probably will give me an attitude attack and if I was in your presence probably a Kick or two, but for your Health and the Health of the rest of Humanity if you and the Millions of other "Wood Burners" would cease we all would be so much better off and yes I am a concerned "Tree Hugger aqnd proud of it". O.K. now your turn, don't all "Shout" at once ,be civil and take your turn.Merry Christmas in what ever Language or Religous Zeal you practice from me to you.

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in sticks

12-13-2007 05:14:08




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
j.c.h. if you want to save some trees ?try wiping your butt with a plastic bag and see what that does for you?



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35A

12-12-2007 20:11:53




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
YOU can Freeze if you want to, but don't think you are going to make me freeze too. Go buy a piece of ground, grow some trees & hug YOUR trees. Mine are firewood And I hug them all the way to the stove



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RodInNS

12-12-2007 19:26:28




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
Ok.... So you've pointed out some of the problems with wood burning.

NOW, what do you propose as a solution to prevent your chicklets from freezing to the chair?

Rod



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onefarmer

12-12-2007 20:11:53




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to RodInNS, 12-12-2007 19:26:28  
Everyone move to FL and AZ. And bring your own water.



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Dan-IA

12-12-2007 17:21:08




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
I burn wood. Have all my life, I was raised that way too.

You don't cut down live trees. The wood has too much moisture and won't burn well. You want it dead for at least a year. It'll cure better upright because it's out of the dirt and up in the air, but it should be dead a good year before you try to burn it.



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MN Scott

12-12-2007 16:58:22




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
You sound like you work for an oil company. If I can't burn renewable wood the only choice I have is heating oil or propane, I guess the oil companys and Arabs would like that. Don't give me that solar crap, ain't no solar panal heater gonna keep this old farmhouse warm at -25 and 30 MPH winds! Same thing with your "hybrid" cars. Like to see a hybrid "anything" pull a 25 ft gooseneck full of cattle at less cost than my Duramax!

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Marlowe

12-12-2007 15:11:52




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
man you are so full of shi- that i can smell you from here and the word civil is not in my vocabulary when talking to some pencil pushing tree huger that is going to save the world by stopping wood burning. they plant 25% more trees a year then we use try that with oil or coal. you better park your gas guzzling car that you drive down to the corner to go buy your smokes. i don't know you but know your kind and you will feed off of the nuts of this country that want us to live the way they think. yes i burn wood and in the last 5 or 6 years have not cut ONE live tree. i burn wood that would end up in the landfill [old pallets]you know the place you don't like also but help fill every day!!oh that's right you recycle well so do i I BURN WOOD AND IT"S A RENEWABULE RESORCE try that with your electric car

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onefarmer

12-12-2007 14:31:01




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
Which is worse? Burning propane/oil/coal, releasing CO2, that has been stored for millions of years, OR, burning wood, releasing CO2 that has been stored for maybe 50-100 years? Yes the trees need to be replaced!

Sorry for the thread hijack.



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Dan-IA

12-12-2007 17:15:14




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to onefarmer, 12-12-2007 14:31:01  
My local talk show host said something about that. You want to reduce CO2? Well, seems to me that humans add to CO2 production thru mere respiration.

So you want to cut CO2 production? Go ahead. You first...

:)



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J.C.H.

12-12-2007 14:48:07




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to onefarmer, 12-12-2007 14:31:01  
There you go,it has already started.The Man is talking "wood Burning" Don't ask for my opinion of some thing there is no control of and is not in the discussion such as you bring to the table.You won't like it. Wood burning is an individual choice that can be controlled by the person prompting it. Coal ,Oil,Natural Gas and and Electric, are also choices to be made,but geography and finances and government controls pretty much dictates the choice available to the population who has pretty much no control over this choice. Individually we have Thermal,Solar and the oft over looked Methane Gas that many Countries of the World rely on to stretch their natural resources .Now, how do you like them "Apples?".

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Bill(Wis)

12-12-2007 17:04:00




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:48:07  
Sooo...I have more deadfall than I can burn on my farm so I give it to neighbors for their outdoor woodstoves which are made locally therefore employing people in an honest vocation as well as keeping the rest of us warm not only while we're burning it but while we're cutting it and hauling it as well bringing the total number of homes being heated by wood that otherwise would being consumed by termites and exhausted into the air as methane to four. We're heating four homes with wood that would normally be consumed by termites. Do you understand that?

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onefarmer

12-12-2007 15:51:05




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:48:07  
Dude you asked for it by trying to convince us that burning wood is madness. Coal, oil, and ng is carbon thats been stored for millions of years, how old is the average tree in the US. Mine are between 20 and 100. I can grow more trees, can you grow more coal or oil?

For every tree I burn I start another. Isn't that zero impact on the enviroment? Yes I'll go hug my tree.... and tell it thank you for keeping me warm. And then I'll tend it's kids till their time to keep me warm.

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onefarmer

12-12-2007 17:11:29




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to onefarmer, 12-12-2007 15:51:05  
Oh after 20+ years of burning wood, I still only burn dead trees. How much O2 will they put out if I leave them to rot.



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Gene Dotson

12-12-2007 14:23:09




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to J.C.H., 12-12-2007 14:08:59  
BAAAAH HUMBUG!!!!!... Gene



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steveormary

12-12-2007 20:31:48




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 Re: OT-Outdoor wood boilers self-built in reply to Gene Dotson, 12-12-2007 14:23:09  
always heated with wood and now i gots puter problems

mabe I could get a new one. That cleared the problem I think. We burned deadfall and such. Even burned coal at one time. And corn cobs.

Have a Merry Christmas and stay warm and dry.

steveormary



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