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Bob Elmer

12-26-2007 14:44:20




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Hi -- I'm a novelist working on a story (for Guideposts Magazine) that's set on a farm in Nebraska. Long story short, I have a 10-year-old character that's going to get in trouble driving grandpa's tractor without permission. So I'm wondering, is it possible for a kid to somehow start an old tractor -- maybe in gear? He's showing the tractor to a friend, starts it just to show off, and suddenly I have them careening off across the farm.

If that's not quite realistic, how could he start and get a tractor going, without grownup help? This character is a city kid, but could have watched his grandpa drive the tractor before.

Can anyone suggest feasible options? It's fiction, but I do want to get the details right! (And as you can tell, I'm no expert.)

Thanks much for any advice you can toss my way.

Bob Elmer
writing from the Idaho Panhandle

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

12-27-2007 20:26:53




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
starting most any of the older farm tractors in gear (except road gear) is pretty easy, but they moved pretty slow (usually top speed was about 5mph in all but road gear at full throttle), so carreenign might not be an apt description.



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Walt Davies

12-27-2007 09:25:42




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Give me a call anytime as I'm retired and live on a small farm here in Oregon. I can help you with the little details that will keep your story realistic and maybe keep people from making fun of you later on.
Walt
Monmouth, OR
503 623 0460

Here is another good one a 1956 Cockshutt Blackhawk with a simple push button starter. It also can be started in gear and will take right off at full speed if one should accidentally lean on the hand throttle and push it down.
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PS you can use any pictures or come take some of your own for the book would be proud to any of my old tractors in print.

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Bob Elmer

12-27-2007 09:44:43




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Walt Davies, 12-27-2007 09:25:42  
Nice photos, Walt. Thanks. Never heard of a Cockshutt Blackhawk. You think that make would have been available to a farmer in SE Nebraska in the 1950s? The story takes place in the present day, but obviously the rig would have been purchased there a half-century ago.

By the way, if anybody's curious, the book's called "Homespun Harvest" and it's part of a series called "Home to Heather Creek," which is a series put out by the Guideposts book club. I think it's due out next year sometime. Safe to assume the readership is predominantly female (book club, you know) but hey, I still want to get the tractor details right! End of plug. -Bob

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Walt Davies

12-27-2007 09:01:19




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Give us time frame so that we can be a little more accurate on make and model that would fit your story. Say 40s 50s 60s 70s. Later ones would be hard as they require that you press the clutch in to start them.
Walt

My 1945 Case LA could be started by either the starter button or rolling down hill and engaging the clutch. would be a great tractor for this as its big and has lots of room for kids to sit on the big fenders or stand on the floor by the seat. while trying to stop it.
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Bob Elmer

12-27-2007 09:31:12




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Walt Davies, 12-27-2007 09:01:19  
Thanks, Walt and all the other stories. Wow, looks like I could write a book just on kids and tractors!

So far we have several good candidates for the tractor in my book. I'm still thinking a '49 or '50 Farmall H would work well, but it sounds like a '40s Case LA (among others) would work, too.

Again thanks for all the input!

Bob Elmer

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rrlund

12-27-2007 06:31:14




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
My sister and a neighbor kid started Dads 1950 Case model SC and ran it up a tree when we were kids. No safety switches back then. The "ignition switch" was the oposite of most for the time,you pulled a small knob out to shut it off,push it in when you started it. Then just push another large button to engage the starter. Barb was on the seat,Brian was sitting straddle the gas tank,I guess bumped the switch pushing it in. We had purchased the tractor from his Grandfather. He was telling her he knew all about it,steped on the starter button,it was in gear and while they were fooling around,they had pushed the hand clutch ahead and engaged it,so it took right off as soon as they pushed the button.

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Blackhole49

12-27-2007 04:59:13




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
My 49 JD M is electric start and will start in gear with no problem and nothing by-passed.



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MarkB_MI

12-27-2007 04:41:43




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
When I was five and my brother was three we managed to get my Dad's Ford 8N started. Fortunately, the 8N has a neutral interlock so it had to be in neutral to start. We didn't know how to turn it off, since the ignition switch and starter switch are separate on the 8N. My mom and sister came out; Mom didn't know how to turn it off but ten-year-old Sis did.

Even on tractors with neutral interlocks, it was (and is) common for farmers to disable or bypass them. As someone else said, this often leads to tragic results.

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Tradititonal Farmer

12-27-2007 04:36:56




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
If a 10 year old was raised on a farm he probably knows how to run and operate a tractor no problem. I was mowing and raking hay by myself the Summer after I turned 7 with our Allis CA



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super99

12-27-2007 02:50:18




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
He is going to use an H so not a problem, but didn't you have to use the gear shift lever to start a Ferguson? Didn't run very many, but thought there was a blank space in gear shift pattern that when you put shift lever in it, it engaged the starter? Chris



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Tom in NE

12-26-2007 20:45:29




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
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Hey Bob,
Good luck with your story for Guideposts Magazine. I've attached a picture of me at 12 years old on my Dad's Ferguson TO-30.(1966). Another picture of me and the tractor 40 years later. The tractor has held up better than me. I know the paint scheme isn't right, but it sure is shiny.
I can't remember how old I was when I started helping Dad by driving tractors, but I was around 13 or so when I had my biggest mishap. Dad had a Massey Ferguson 65 with an American loader & I was on his Massey Ferguson 50 that was hooked up to a manure spreader. We were in the feedlot & He was loading the spreader & I was taking it out to a near-by field and spreading it out. I was setting on the seat waiting for him to load it up. I was waiting and I had the small Hi-Low shifter in neutral...just day dreaming. He hollered for me to jump off and bring him a scoop shovel. I jumped off, picked up the shovel and started toward him. He yelled and pointed, I turned around and looked. The tractor and spreader was rolling down the hill. I started running after it...he yelled to get the heck out of the way. The MF 50 stopped after it dozed out a windbreak tree down the hill. Dad said I would likely have gotten caught under that rear wheel and run over in trying to stop that run-away tractor. Dad got the tractor fixed,.... it took me awhile to get back in his good graces.
Tom

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Jimmy King

12-26-2007 19:35:39




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Bob many of us older guys started driving tractors at a very early age.I was about 7 when my Dad had me pulling a drag with a B Farmall and by 10 was driving a bundle wagon for thrashing. I was so short I had to slid out on the seat as far as I could and had hold of the steering wheel over my head to push in the clutch and hold the brakes. 5' 5 1/2" at my tallest now 66 years old about 5' 3". My frist solo tractor ride it wasn't started I was about 2 and Dad had parked the 1939 H in the drive way on a hill in neutral with the brakes locked I got on I and played a while then stomped the brake release, it rolled about 15 ft then went into the fence.

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buickanddeere

12-26-2007 19:05:55




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Even the newest tractors with a mechanical shutdown fuel system. Can be started with just a screwdriver across the starter terminals.



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TomH in PA

12-26-2007 18:09:44




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
I once started my H in 3rd gear while it had a baler attached. On level ground too, kind of surprised me.



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IaGary

12-26-2007 17:02:47




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Bob, it might be a shorter list of guys here who have not had a tractor start in gear and take off with them.

Gary



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Bob Elmer

12-26-2007 17:05:55




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to IaGary, 12-26-2007 17:02:47  
I think you're right, Gary. But hey, I'm enjoying these stories! -Bob



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Allan In NE

12-26-2007 16:55:40




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Yep,

Drove my first tractor that way at the ripe old age of 5 (Farmall M).

My mom was absolutely frantic, came running out of the house, jumped up on the Farmhand behind me and couldn't figure out how to stop it.

So, I showed her. :>)

Allan



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ric1

12-26-2007 16:15:40




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
just ask my dad about that one and watch his face get red .happened about 1961 i was about 5 yrs old dad had a to-30 in the barn had to hand crank it and forgot to take it out of gear first it fired up on the first crank it was about 5 ft from the back wall of the barn dad had to leap up on the hood but him and the tractor went clear through the barn wood wall he finally got it stopped in the barn yard a few feet from the barn hes lucky thatwasnt the last tractor he ever started.

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Bob N.Y.

12-26-2007 16:09:47




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
My son-in-law's brother started an Allis Chalmers D-17 in gear and drove it through a barn wall when he was 4 years old. The barn burned down about 2 weeks later.



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Bob Elmer

12-26-2007 15:39:14




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Guys, this is perfect, just what I was looking for. Didn't realize you would all reply so quickly! I'll make it a late '40s Farmall H, and that works just fine into the story.

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer. If I ever have any other tractor questions, I'll know where to go.

Regards,

Bob Elmer
www.RobertElmerBooks.com

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Ken L.

12-26-2007 15:12:37




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Even a tractor without a starter can easily be started and has been started by little kids. If left on a hill (which many tractors were) with the brakes on and in gear. All a kid had to do was, bump the brake pedal which would unlatch them, push down the clutch and, the tractor would start to roll down the hill. By then the kid got scared, took his foot off the clutch and since it was in gear, the engine would crank over and start. Around here, years ago, many guys did that daily with hand start tractors because it was a lot easier than cranking.

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dhermesc

12-26-2007 15:11:31




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Let's say its an "H" Farmall produced from 1939 to early 1953 (old enough for you?).

The kid could easily pull the kill switch and press the starter button. A well tuned H will take off in just about any gear (1-4) except road gear (5th) with the touch of the starter button. The same tractor will go through the wall of a shed and keep going until it rolls over or the operator figures out how to shut it off or push in the clutch peddle.

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Tom43

12-26-2007 15:00:37




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
When I was 11 years old I was baling hay unsupervised with an H Farmall and an A-C Roto-Baler.



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RayP(MI)

12-26-2007 14:58:31




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Yup.... Old tractors could be started very easily, in gear.. Happened many many times, often with tragic results. Do your research as to make and models that might be most like to fit your story. Nothing spoils a story more than having a author run a senario past you that you know is unlikely. Thinking you want a tractor with a magneto ignition, but battery start. This would preclude the need for turning on ignition. A good starter would roll a tractor while in gear, and if the throttle was set to run, it could start. Other option would be to have your kid depress the clutch while starting and then have foor slip off clutch - then panic, and fail to depress clutch again.

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tinyy

12-26-2007 14:50:57




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 Re: Tractor in a novel in reply to Bob Elmer, 12-26-2007 14:44:20  
Yes they can. My 7 year old can start my farmall A and drive it, but he can not reach the clutch or brakes. But knows where the cut out switch is to shut the tractor off. Also knows that if he starts it with out me there he will not be able to sit down to drive it for a while.



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