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Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week.

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Dave from MN

01-15-2008 06:27:10




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I was asked last night how many acres could be fertilzed annually with a heard of 20 beef cows, allowed to range in the feild during winter and late fall. In a small lot for a few months to "make a concentration of spreadable "fertilizer", but on pasture the other 3 months, and also if he has 5-10 steers on feed to finish in a small feed lot. I have no clue what to tell my buddy. He was serious and wants to know for some reason. I told him if I kept all my chicken poop I could fertilize 75-90 acres every 11 months. I have no clue about cow poop, in a scenario like that. In a year or two I will be able to give him quantity based on the 6 cows I am getting. Odd question I know, but I would like to give him an ballpark answer, Lord knows I have asked him far more odd questions, ussually due to beer and BS'n.

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paul

01-16-2008 09:16:08




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
Dave, if you mean the amount of manure he will end up loading in a spreader & hauling to the fields to maintain a corn crop, you can tell him 5 acres. Could be a bit more, but typically 5.

Obviously, he will generate a lot more manure, but it will be self-delivered on the pasture & fields with grazing.

--->Paul



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JoshuaGA

01-15-2008 20:44:01




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
I don't know about broiler being cooler. We have breeder hens on slats, and our first flock litter analysis was 1-2-1. Our last litter analysis was 2-4-2, but it was a fresher sample. We couldn't give the first away. Broiler rule of thumb is 3-2-2, but I believe that is because broiler shavings are reused, and it makes hotter fertilizer, while we take it all out and put in new. In terms of hotness, cattle is at the bottom, then hog, and finally chicken. HTH

JoshuaGA

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Steve in MN

01-15-2008 14:32:15




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
We usually figure about 1.2 acres per cow but we have Holstein dairy cows in confinement year around. That's applied to ground we're going to grow corn on. If we were to apply that same manure to a pasture we would use a little less. Beef cows probably eat a little less therefore poop a little less and if your only dealing with 6 months worth of confinement, I would say 1/2 acre per cow or less. Just a rough guess though. Steers have better feed conversion so they will be even a little less than the beef cows.

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randallinMo

01-15-2008 10:48:48




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
An 1100 pound cow fed a high forage diet will produce approximately 16.8 tons of manure per year. You have to figure you're going to lose the majority of the water content which would be approxmiately 80%, leaving roughly 3.36 tons of manure on a dry basis. Your 20 cows would then produce about 67 tons of manure. Depending upon the type of dry spreader you use, most spreaders apply about 20 tons of manure per acre, so you would have enough to cover about 3+ acres.

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jonjon

01-15-2008 10:35:11




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
The longer the manure sits the drier it gets and the more nitrogen is lost.



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kyhayman

01-15-2008 08:31:02




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
None, its a closed system (actually its a negative system if no feed comes from off the farm as the cows do retain some of the nutirents .) If the cows graze off the land and eat hay off the land then the only nutrients in the manure are what was there to start with. The cows eat the grass but they arent adding anything.

Now, any nutrients brought into the farm in the form of feed are additions to the system. Thats how dairy cows, chickens, etc add to the total fertility on a farm, so much off farm feed going into them. Most of the nutrients in whatever the animals eat except energy and protein do go out the back end. Any feed that comes in adds its nutirents to the system. If he is buying hay and corn then that does add fertilizer value but it depends a LOT on what they are eating. If the cows are being fed purchased grain then there is a large contribution of phosphorous to the farm. If they are eating alfalfa there is a lot of potassium and calcium going out the back side of the cow. Grass hay, less calcium and potassium but still its a net gain.

With all that said there is an organic nitrogen contribution to the system. But that comes from excess protein that is metabolized by the animal. It still came from origional soil nitrogen in someones soil. My pastures now test high in P and K, and rarely need nitrogen due to the amount of manure they get. Particularly the field where I feed. But its not 'new'. Its simply plant nutrients that come out of another field where the hay is grown. Those nutrients either have to go back as manure or in my case come in a truck from the co-op as fertilizer and synthetic nitrogen.

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skyharborcowboy

01-15-2008 08:13:44




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
They hay fields around me usually use sheep by the hundreds. There are probably 500 sheep on the field next to me right now which is 320 acres. They just keep rotating them around here.

Joe



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M Nut

01-15-2008 07:32:26




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
Mornin' Dave,

Here's what I know. We keep our 45-50 stock cows confined in a yard from last weekend of Oct. to the 3rd weekend of May. I then use the crawler and push it all into a few piles and let it sit until fall. Then we spread it on the hay fields after the cows have grazed them off. (usually don't take a 2nd crop of hay)This generates enough manure to cover about 20-25 acres.

You can also spread it in the spring if you choose, but often the hay fields are too soft and I don't want them all rutted up when it comes time to hay them.

(Glad to hear your gettin' your cows!)

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Texasmark

01-15-2008 07:14:32




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
Like I said the other day. The USDA 5 year farm census asked the question as to whether or not you used animal manure to fertilize (any of) your pastures.

Having had the local Fertilizer supplier out to the place yesterday to take a soil sample to determine my annual requirements, before long that is all that we will be able to afford.

Mark



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Dave from MN

01-15-2008 07:33:38




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Texasmark, 01-15-2008 07:14:32  
I must of missed that post. Kind of an odd question isnt it, "manure to fertilize pastures", it seemed to me pastured cows had fertilizer coming out of the hind end as fast as the grass is going in the front end. I wonder how I guy can not fertlizer his pastures if they are being used. Alot of help and some pooper scoopers? Cattle diapers?



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Texasmark

01-16-2008 05:17:52




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 07:33:38  
I"m going to get the answer to the question when my soil sample returns. On one pasture I take the scrapings from my "feedlot" for the sake of a name, containing dung and wasted "peed and pooped on" hay. I have a **** slinger and deliver it to the field in the fall and plow it in. I would like to have a larger volume for comparison but I only have so many cows and they can only poop so much. (Laugh).

Mark

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Allan In NE

01-15-2008 07:02:42




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Dave from MN, 01-15-2008 06:27:10  
"Maybe" 5 acres?

Used to spread 10 to 20 acres out of 100 head of dairy cows that were in the lot year around.

Your "chicken poop" is way hotter than manure from cattle and you have to "spread it thin" to keep from burning the crop.

Allan

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pair-a-dice farm

01-15-2008 18:12:30




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Allan In NE, 01-15-2008 07:02:42  
It depends on the type of chickens raised. In Dave's case (I think) he has layers and you are correct it is pretty hot. I raise broilers and it is not as rich. It also depends on the size of broiler, the amount of bedding & how many flocks were raised between cleanouts. The NRCS has a lot to do with how much to apply.



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Texasmark

01-15-2008 07:12:02




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 Re: Cattle manure -fertilizer output- challenge for the week in reply to Allan In NE, 01-15-2008 07:02:42  
Hey Allan, I have one of those too, only it's green and it is about in the same physical shape; but it works and that's all that matters.

Mark



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