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Low Sulfur diesel in my truck

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Jeff Oliver

01-16-2008 14:25:55




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What year model trucks are built for the low sulfur diesel that you get now? I have a 05 Dodge and am not sure if it is safe to run this fuel in it without an additive or not. Thanks!




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RodInNS

01-17-2008 08:29:20




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
I don't buy into all this stuff about low sulfur fuel harming fuel systems. I've had absolutely ZERO trouble with it in tractors ranging back to the mid 70's. No failures, no leaks, no nothing. I use some Howes upon occassion, but not on a regular basis, and only a minimum amount when I do. The biggest thing I've noticed since the switch to ULSD was a considerable decrease in fuel efficiency, but I don't track it to the gallon either. I just knwo that all 6 machines that are running it here don't get as many hours of work from a full tank of fuel, although it is possible that they are getting pushed harder too. I just know that the tanks get empty quicker...

I'd fill it up and don't give a second thought to the fuel. I think a lot of stuff that gets blamed on LSD and ULSD is probably more to do with water and poor fuel system maintenance than anything else, but I could be wrong.

Rod

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jdemaris

01-17-2008 14:53:09




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 Not worried? in reply to RodInNS, 01-17-2008 08:29:20  
There IS certainly truth to it if you believe strict test data. If low lube in a fuel shortens the life of one of your injection pumps by 20% or 30% - I doubt you'd ever know the difference.

There has been a lot of testing and it boils down to this.

I'm going to stick to the number used when testing for wear-scars of internal metal parts. This is usually the HFFR test ISO 12156.

Mechancial fuel injection systems with fuel-lubricated injection pumps need a fuel that tests at less than "400,000" to last as designed.

The average high-sulfur diesel was tested at 396,400 with the HFRR test at 60 degrees C.

The average ULSD diesel tests at 666,650 which absolutely WILL make pumps wear prematurely.

Now - ULSD is supposed to have lube additives put in to bring it up to around 500,000.

So, as it stands - if everyone does the job right - and the additives get put in by everyone as they should - then it should be just barely adequate for older rotary pumps.
In short - diesel naturally had the lube qualities the old systems need - and now it does not and needs additives.

Personally, I'm not that trusting all of this done properly, i.e. monitored and enforced since it's all still relatively new.

I see putting lube back in the ULSD as a cheap investment. I use two-stroke oil added at a 200 to 1 ratio and it's been tested to bring the wear-scar # down by 160 microns -which is a lot. It adds more lube for less money then most commerical additives - but the two-stroke oil is not 2007 and newer emission's compliant.

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skyharborcowboy

01-17-2008 07:43:14




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
I agree with Allan just pump and go because you have no other choice as it is. I was just making you aware that if you see any leaking it is going to be your o-rings. If you do a search on www.thedieselstop.com you will indeed see a lot of people that have had their seals quit working. My truck (F350 Dually) has not had that problem yet.

Joe



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john in la

01-17-2008 04:31:02




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
The cut off date is 2007.
Any truck built in 2007 or later has to use ULSD.



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ben brown

01-16-2008 19:04:43




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
i been running it in my 99 models superduty for almost a year now and havent had any problem wih leaks. friend who does all the ford dealer work here say it not causing any problems. only thing i can see it doing is increasing the sale of snake oil,, fuel addives.



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skyharborcowboy

01-16-2008 18:26:38




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
Here is the deal with the ULSD. It will mess with your orings in the fuel system. When they do make sure you replace them with Viton (spelling?) orings. Older Fords, especially the 7.3's) are having a heck of a time with it now on the lines into and out of the fuel filter bowl. Some have remarked a little less power. I personally think everyone should use a Product such as Power Service or Redline etc every few tanks or when towing heavy loads.

Joe

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Allan In NE

01-16-2008 15:11:44




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
Chances are and truth be known, you're already running the new stuff.

Gonna all be that way 'fore too much longer anyway.

Allan



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Jeff Oliver

01-16-2008 18:33:24




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Allan In NE, 01-16-2008 15:11:44  
Oh theres no doubt I'm running it now. The sticker on the pump says so LOL! I was just wondering what damage it can do and if an additive was needed on my year model truck as that same sticker says something about models before a certain year model need to use an additive but I couldn't remember what the year model was.



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Allan In NE

01-17-2008 04:56:50




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 18:33:24  
You're worrying over nothing. Pump 'er full and go.

Allan



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NC Wayne

01-16-2008 15:02:29




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
What fuel each individual engine manufacturers engine was designed to run (low sulfur or the current ultra low sulfur) is gonna vary depending on the mfg and the engine. The only thing I can tell you for certain is that any on highway engine mfg for the 2007 year model was required to be compatable, meaning designed to run on, ultra low sulfur fuel. As far as running an additive, the guys at the fuel shop dad and I have dealt with now since back in the 70"s say run a qualty additive in everything regardless, it can only help. They said wether the engine/fuel system was designed to run ULSD or not they were still seeing problems with pump seals leaking, sticking metering valves, etc due to the loss of the extra sulfur and resulting loss of it"s lubricating qualities. According to industry magazines this isn"t supposed to be an issue, other lubricating additives are used to replace the sulfur, but according to my guys what they see doesn"t match with what we"re all being told by "the industry". Personally I started running an additive in my service truck, on their advice first of "07. Since starting on the additive (I have to figure miles and gallons used, etc every quarter for IFTA) have actually picked up several MPG. So far I"ve used Stanadynes additive as well as another from Lubrication Engineers and have had no problems with either. The cost of both is about $6 a bottle. In my case the added MPG results in about $80, per fillup, in additional travel miles I can charge. In other words the additive pays for itself and then some, especially when your in a buiness where mileage is charged out to a particular job/customer. So, in short, find a qality additive and run with it. You"ve got nothing to lose and alot to gain.

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