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TWJanak

02-05-2008 17:05:33




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You may have read this before but I thought it was pretty dang funny.



Does the statement, "We've always done it like that" ring any bells?
Read this to the end; you'll love it!!

The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches.

That's an odd number.
Why was that gauge used?

Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the US Railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways,
and that's the gauge they used.

Why did "they" use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for
building wagons, which used that wheel's spacing.

Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (and England) for their legions.
The roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
And bureaucracies live forever.

So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's a$$ came up with it,
you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough
to accommodate the back ends of two war horses!

Now here's where it gets good:

When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank.
These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs.

The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory at Utah.
The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to

be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site.
The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains.
The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel.

The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know,
is about as wide as two horses' behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced
transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's a$$.

And you thought being a HORSE'S A$$ wasn't important.

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athol carr

02-07-2008 04:34:24




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
The first tramways from the mines in the North of England were built to 5 feet to the out side of the rails which were 2 inch wide flats on top of the wooden rails (i.e. 4 foot 8 to inside of the rails). When the first locomotive were built by Stephenson they were also to 4 foot 8 inch gauge, the same as the coal wagons that they were pulling. As later locomotives were fitted with 3 axles not 2 they had trouble getting the longer wheelbases around the corners and some of the gauges were eased to 4 foot 9 to give more clearance. To prevent confusion with the different gauges they later adopted a mean value 4 foot 8.5 inches.
Brunel built the Great Western Railway (England) to 7 foot guage, the Irish Broad Gauge was 5 foot 3 inches, the Welsh slate mines used 2 foot, the Norwegian Narrow Gauge was 3 foot 6 inches, later adopted by new Zealand, Ceylon, Japan and South Africa. Parts of Indai etc. use a metre gauge.

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in-too-deep

02-06-2008 13:45:15




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
Johnny Cash's "Hey Porter" just came on as I was reading the replies : )



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J.C.in AZ.

02-06-2008 07:19:46




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
Some one has way to much time on their hands it is apparent,"But" I enjoyed reading it so no harm done. Now why was the Mountain Guage of the DRG-RGS-and others of our American West set at 3'? To get around sharp curves I know but why 3'Guage and not 40" or 30".In Maine they used 2'Guage and others were of Micro Guages. The "Cumbres @ Toltec" and the "Durango to Silverton" use what were obsolete Standard Guage Engines ,rebuilt and converted to Narrow Guage and labeled"Mud Hens". They are bulky and on the verge of tipping over from being top heavy all the time so slow and easy is the way they are run. Why didn't the Mfg's. build more powerful Narrow Guage Engines in that era? This could go on for a long time so I'm just curious.JC

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Gerald J.

02-06-2008 12:27:58




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to J.C.in AZ., 02-06-2008 07:19:46  
Narrow gauge was cheaper to build. Narrower ROW, lighter track, lighter equipment. Lower investment per train and per mile. Also lower productivity, but so many young railroads went broke the lower costs of starting for the narrow gauge worked out more often. Many a narrow gauge RR was converted to standard gauge evenutally to save having to unload and reload freight at the junctions.

Gerald J.

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TWJanak

02-06-2008 04:30:59




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
Geez, you guys analyze things too much. It was just for fun! :mrgreen:



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bill mart

02-06-2008 01:51:12




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
this link from snopes website can shed some light on railroad track guage (it does not have anything to do with chariots)

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.asp



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oj

02-05-2008 21:03:34




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
They had different gauge railways in Britain too, i can"t remember when they became standardized on main lines but it was some tine in the mid-late 1800"s. GWR ran on broad gauge if i remember rightly. An in other former colonies (india for example) there are narrow and standard gauge railways. Depends on what the builder wanted. Makes for a good story though.



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Bendee

02-05-2008 18:20:52




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
4'8.5" rail track is that of New South Wales(Australia) The first state colonised by the English. Just the place to dump their prisioners ,[year 1788]however, the Horses A$$ doesn't rate when it comes to State jealousies. Victoria being the next state decided on 5'3". South Australia opted for 3'6" or was it Tasmania, or both.
Some attempt has been made to standardise but it's painfully slow.Trains don't seem to rate with the Politicians.
Call again in 2228 for an update.

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Eric SEI

02-05-2008 20:26:56




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to Bendee, 02-05-2008 18:20:52  
I believe the Southern Railroad was broad gauge, the East Broadtop in Pennsylvania was 3 ft gauge, the Denver & Rio Grande in Colorado was 3 ft gauge, the Denver & Rio Grande Western in Colorado ran some 3 ft gauge (the Silverton Train still carries tourists with live steam), the White Pass & Yukon is still 3 ft gauge in Alaska and Canada. In Maine there were numerous 2 ft gauge railroads.

There used to be dual gauge tracks in some yards, so the same locomotive could switch both gauges.

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John - OH

02-05-2008 17:52:28




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 Re: U.S. Railroad Gauge in reply to TWJanak, 02-05-2008 17:05:33  
Now that's funny. Thanks for the laugh.



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