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old

02-06-2008 19:12:20




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That has horses and cattle but NEVER feeds any hay. This guy has a good bit of land but he never puts out any hay for the animals. I would think that it has to be hard on them and that the grass that is there would not have much value in it as feed.




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Bill in Colo

02-07-2008 09:25:42




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
Due to 18" of snow cover on the ground this winter I'm feeding my horses, but normally I don't feed, if extremely cold we may grain a little for a few days. horses that winter out and paw for food can be caught and ridden hard as they are in good phyisical shape,Those who have feed handed out are soft unless they are regularly used. Many ranch horses here winter out. So far there is no dieoff of the large wild horse herds in the region, they winter very successfully.

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rrlund

02-07-2008 06:47:49




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
Maybe he's some city slicker who doesn't know he's supposed to.



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jose bagge

02-07-2008 04:22:49




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
Many pelleted feeds are "whole" feeds that require little or no forage-Purina Strategy, for example. a lot of performance horses get very little if any hay- in fact, many get very little if any turnout. I WISH I WAS IN A SITUATION WHERE I HAD 5 HORSES ON 40 ACRES. How do the horses look? You feed grain for flat topline and hay for a fat belly- and the topline is what creates health and performance. In the winter, you won't see any ribs- too much hair! Can't speak to the cattle, but based on the junk I've seen in some round bales lately, they might as well be chewing on trees.

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Spook

02-07-2008 03:35:27




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
You can get some feeds today that include hay, Purina senior is one we use. I don't have horses anymore, just 3 goats. They seem to like oat straw better than hay. We do give them hay, but they don't seem to eat a whole lot of it.



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Nolan (foxtrapper)

02-07-2008 03:03:51




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
I'd hate to see what you'd propose be done to wild horses. They don't get hay either.



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dave2

02-07-2008 02:41:28




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to JK-NY, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  

Fanddell said: (quoted from post at 02:08:03 02/07/08) Call the law and see if you can get yourself in trouble. Old you should know better, and besides this is a talk tractor.


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bradk

02-07-2008 09:30:31




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to dave2, 02-07-2008 02:41:28  
Yeah Dave,I don't get that one either.



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Fanddell

02-07-2008 01:08:03




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
Call the law and see if you can get yourself in trouble. Old you should know better, and besides this is a talk tractor.



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dave2

02-06-2008 23:05:46




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
Our horses leave the stall in March (depending on the weather) and get hay until the grass grows, then not until there's nothing to eat. We have 10 places from 1/2 to 1 acre that we rotate with 2 horses per. The stallion and gelding gets a scoop of pellets a day (because we ride them) and pick over about two bales of oat straw a week if grass is low. If we put out hay when there is still plenty of grass, they use it as a bed after thier belly is full. Mares and babies are the same, just getting a scoop of vitamins/minerals until they want more. I wouldn't worry too much unless they look bad.

My 2 cents.

Dave

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john in la

02-06-2008 19:28:22




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
Do the animals look starved are is the guy just using practices you may not know about such as rotational grazing.



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old

02-06-2008 19:34:33




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to john in la, 02-06-2008 19:28:22  
They don't look all that bad but he doesn't rotate them either.



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Jack a

02-07-2008 03:46:45




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:34:33  
If they don't look bad then what you complaining about? Not to fight you here but I'd say it's his business and not anyone elses. You bored or something?



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john in la

02-06-2008 19:58:36




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:34:33  
If they do not look starved then why feed hay??? Hay cost money.

Hay is only a supplement to be used threw the rough times and allow more head per acre.

I know guys that use very little to no hay and out perform those that do. They do rotate sections of a field daily and grow winter rye for green grass year round but it just shows with the right situations hay is not needed.



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fatbob50

02-06-2008 19:26:00




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
I think I would look at the animals condition. Just because there is no hay handed out does not mean the animals are lacking in nutrition. I have seen many animals here in Missouri that are starving, yet they are fed hay everyday. What matters is the nutrition they are receiving and ... How Do They Look?



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Walt Davies

02-06-2008 19:24:37




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
I have a small horse and never put out hay for him because when I did he had trouble and foundered his hooves grew way out to fast and he had some type of disease so now he only gets what he has on the ground and he is doing great. Horses can get into real trouble if left to feed only high protein foods.
Walt



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JT

02-06-2008 19:23:45




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
If all he does is keep them on pasture, I would also think that would be kinda hard on them. Don't see how growth rate would be very fast. How are you surviving all this weather down your way, Rich?



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old

02-06-2008 19:30:20




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to JT, 02-06-2008 19:23:45  
Doing ok, but sure wish the weather would make up its mind and either stay cold or stay warm instead of this up and down. Monday it was 74 out and today we got lucky to see 30



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geok

02-06-2008 19:22:14




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:12:20  
It is a trend in your area where acreages are fence off in sections, sometime like a spoked wheel. Live stock are allowed to eat down one section then they are moved to another to graze that section down. My sister lives not far from you and attended a county seminar on setting up your acreage this way. She is building a small farmette for her horses and goats. One of the people that taught at this seminar uses very little hay if any himself.

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old

02-06-2008 19:32:25




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to geok, 02-06-2008 19:22:14  
This guy doesn't do that he just lets them have the whole field. With 5 of the horses he has them on 40 acres of land which is about 50/50 grass/weeds and timber



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paul

02-06-2008 22:03:59




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 Re: O/T what do you think of a person in reply to old, 02-06-2008 19:32:25  
Sounds good to me, can't see any problem?

--->Paul



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