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OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads?

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Joe MD

02-07-2008 13:07:23




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Any new information out there about the ford heads that like to blow plugs?

I am looking at a $3,800 repair due to a blown rear right plug.

Also, shop claims the new head is redesigned.

This is a 2001 5.4 L Tirton.




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02XLT4X4

02-08-2008 06:24:49




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to L.C.Gray, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  

Vern-MI said: (quoted from post at 15:26:28 02/07/08) The new head is redesigned to eliminate the problem. The change took effect at the begining of the 2005 model year. The new head uses an Autolite HT plug which has plenty of thread and an extended reach. I just changed the plug and the coil on a 2005, 5.4 liter and then was notified by mail that the injectors that year were troublesome and subject to free replacement if any fail up to 10 years or 120,000 miles. I took it in and they replaced the injector free of charge. MIL code indicated left bank rich and cylinder #5 misfire. Runs like a top now.
Autolite Revolution HT plug



That is a completely different head, yours is a three valve engine with variable valve timing, his 2001 is a two valve engine with the standard style OHC valvetrain. I don't think the heads are remotely interchangable.

BTW on the 04+ trucks (when they went to the 3 valve engines) the extended reach part of the plug gets corroded can break off in the cylinder head which is almost as bad as them shooting out. Too bad they can't find a happy medium, like they had for almost a 100 years before they messed it all up.

Back the the 2 valve engines, torqueing the plugs to spec is critical when you change them. It seems most of the time when this comes up, they were tightened "about that tight" which is probably either too tight or not tight enough. Too tight and you start to strip the threads outright, not tight enough and the plug works them until they give.

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colekicker

02-07-2008 20:11:43




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
My dad's happened after he had the plugs changed on his 99 at the Fix Or Repair Daily dealer. Dealer said the tech must have cross threaded the plug. After reading this, probably wasn't the case. It had an insert and has been good for 40K more miles.



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dave guest

02-07-2008 20:11:23




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
Son had this problem last year. Somebody fixed it for about $400. There is a kit and a special tool.



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Joe MD

02-07-2008 19:01:07




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
Reman engine is $8k they say.

Plug is in way back and hard to reach. Pretty much under the dashboard.

Two kids under two . . . money . . . thanks Ford.

FYI - this happened after restart after drving 10 miles. 85k maybe 90k on engine.

Thanks for all your comments, more comments appreciated.



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long hauler

02-07-2008 17:35:55




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
MUST OF BEEN THE MEXICAN ALUM, HEADS. HA HA FORD HONORED ALL THE CLAIMS THAT UHAUL URNED IN ON THE 1999 THROUGH 2001 V-10 HEADS. MY 2002 V-10 HAD 83000 WHEN I GOT RID OF IT AND HAD NO PROBLEMS. GOOD LUKE WITH FORD THEY LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG.



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SteveKy

02-07-2008 17:29:12




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
They make a repair kit,cut's a larger threaded hole that takes a solid steel insert. The inserts are aviable in short or long reach install with 271 locktite,outside threads only! Let it cure, then crank the motor over to blow out the alumnium shavings.Install new plug's with anti-sieze.The kit has all the tool's needed except an extension and socket ,thin walled and COST LESS 100.00!!! Fix 3.1,3.4 2.4GM 4.6 5.4 FORD 2.0 2.4 DODGE 1600 VW BRIGGS ONAN Kit works on all you can buy insert's extra in diffrent sizes 4 or 5 in a pack. HONEST Steve

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SKYBOW

02-07-2008 17:18:47




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
I had the plug blow on my 01 V-10 superduty. Ford wanted $3800 to replace the head. I found a former Ford Mech who would do it for parts plus $500 which was $1500. I ended up buying a kit on E-bay from Time-sert. It comes with the tools and inserts to do the repair without removing the head. I am not a gear head but I did the repair in about an hour. It has held up fine for 8 months now. I was told that a helicoil is just a temporary fix as they won"t hold. Never read any complaints about the inserts. Ford sucks for not making this right. They designed it wrong and now we have to shell out big bucks to fix their mistake. Use the inserts not the helicoil. E-mail me if you have more questions

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jhill52

02-07-2008 15:23:57




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
My 2001 has over 100,000 miles. I have been thinking about putting in new plugs. I asked my mechanic about stripping the plugs threads. He said it most likely would happen but he had tools to put inserts in with the engine in the truck so a teardown and new heads wouldn't be necessary.

Jerry



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Vern-MI

02-07-2008 14:26:28




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
The new head is redesigned to eliminate the problem. The change took effect at the begining of the 2005 model year. The new head uses an Autolite HT plug which has plenty of thread and an extended reach. I just changed the plug and the coil on a 2005, 5.4 liter and then was notified by mail that the injectors that year were troublesome and subject to free replacement if any fail up to 10 years or 120,000 miles. I took it in and they replaced the injector free of charge. MIL code indicated left bank rich and cylinder #5 misfire. Runs like a top now.

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dhermesc

02-07-2008 14:13:58




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
When you asked for "new" information I took it to mean "Is Ford paying for any of this?" And the answer is "No".

This will be an issue for those engines until they are all off the road. The only "real" fix is to pull the head and put steel inserts into the plug hole.



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MarkB_MI

02-07-2008 14:06:19




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
I know a fellow who helicoiled his on the vehicle. He vacuumed out the cylinder when he was done and has been driving now for several months with no ill effects.

Personally, I don't care to do those sorts of repairs, but facing the prospect of a very expensive repair plus downtime, fixing the head on the vehicle seems very attractive.



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MarkB_MI

02-07-2008 14:05:24




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
I know a fellow who helicoiled his on the vehicle. He vacuumed out the cylinder when he was done and has been driving for several months with no ill effects.

Personally, I don't care to do those sorts of repairs, but facing the prospect of a very expensive repair plus downtime, fixing the head on the vehicle seems very attractive.



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Alkay

02-07-2008 14:01:30




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
ATD Tools or Lisle Tools have a service kit to repair the threads with the head on the vehicle. I used one on a Ford 350 van and it was pretty slick. The tool kit isn't cheap, around $300-$500, but it is better than the price you are talking about. Or maybe you can find a local repair shop that has one of the tool kits and can service your vehicle for less money?



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MNGreybeard

02-07-2008 13:46:16




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
A friend of mine had that happen,he said the repair cost $2500. Don't know what they did tho. The new 3 valve heads supposed to fix that problem



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02XLT4X4

02-07-2008 13:38:31




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
Pull the head out, helicoil or timecert all four plug holes while you are there, reinstall head. They will be better than any number of threads cut into the aluminum cylinder head. The later heads do have more threads, but are expensive and not as strong as just putting steel inserts in. The Ford recomended fix is to replace the head, mainly because they make more money selling you a head for a grand.

I think $3800 is very steep, at that price I would be questioning if it would be worth just putting a reman engine in.

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Brokenwrench

02-07-2008 13:14:59




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
Sounds pretty steep to me. I think you can helicoil the plug hole, and not have to pull the head or anything. Someone else may know more.. BW



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Gerald J.

02-07-2008 13:19:23




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Brokenwrench, 02-07-2008 13:14:59  
That would be an ambitious project with the spark plug hole inside the rocker cover about 5" deep and a foot back of the front edge of the cowl in a pickup.


Gerald J.



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Goose

02-07-2008 13:14:44




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 Re: OT -Any Updates on Ford Triton Heads? in reply to Joe MD, 02-07-2008 13:07:23  
Are you talking about spark plugs, freeze plugs, glow plugs, or what?



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