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JayinNY

02-17-2008 16:03:56

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What does everyone think about the 143 million pound meat recall, biggest in history, saw part of it on the evening news tonight. Thats factory farming, and cheap meat for the god al mighty consumer for you.

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ChrisB

02-19-2008 07:07:36

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

Just read an article that stated there were 8 full-time USDA inspectors at this one plant. The unnamed activist that took the video footage took employment there solely to get the video footage. He had heard stories of the violations and how the USDA inspectors were looking the other way, so took action himself.
USDA higher-ups learned of these violations through a newspaper article before any action was taken.
That leaves the following questions:

1. The USDA claims this went on for two years. So how is it that 8 USDA inspectors were not aware?

2. How many of these 8 government employees should be fired? If not more.

3. Were the 8 USDA inspectors corrupt, ignorant, or just plain lazy?

4. This meat packing plant was under contract from the USDA. The USDA was purchasing meat for school lunch programs and food for the needy. If they cannot rightfully inspect meat that they are purchasing can they be trusted with meat the general consumer is buying?

5. Why is it we always see our government run in "band-aid" mode rather then get to the root of the problem?

6. If the USDA was not aware of these obvious violations, why do we even have a USDA?

7. Who is betting that one inspector or supervisor at the USDA will be held accountable?

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ChrisB

02-18-2008 15:50:51

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

The most tragic part of this whole recall is the failure, once again, of our government.
Why we even have the USDA is beyond me. This has been going on for two years and the USDA was not aware of it? Yet some activists, not even related to the meat packing industry, were?

USDA in this case is charged with meat packing inspection. Any idiot can see that the USDA clearly failed. While the packing plant in question is surely to blame, our government and the USDA are equally if not more to blame.
A packing plant is in business to make money, the USDA is there to ensure a safe product.
From this recall it should be clear that the USDA has absolutely no clue at all with regards to the inner workings of the meat packing industry. This recall is due to the actions of some activists who without pay, found these violations and brought it to public light. If random people off the street can find these violations why cannot the USDA?

Just think about how many more plants operate in the same manner!!! Right in front of the blind USDA.

Think we will hear of anyone being fired or investigated at the USDA????
Even more sickening this plant was packing meat for USDA programs to the schools and needy. Could it be even more ironic?
Dear Congress; stop calling in baseball players to testify and how about the USDA??

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JayinNY

02-18-2008 16:17:52

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Re: beef recall in reply to ChrisB, 02-18-2008 15:50:51

Very well said chrisb and rod. How can we trust our food supply in the hands of the goverment. I just dont agree with the 10,000 cow dairies either. Like Tridation farmer said, those cows never see a green pasture. Just concrete and a milking polor.

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Silver Pig

02-18-2008 07:42:43

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

I have an article from several years ago, when MCD first became widely reported. Basically, what it says, and I agree with, is that the dairy industry is fully responsible for these incidents.
These old 'downer' cows were once called canners and cutters, and were consigned to hot dogs, potted meat, and in the worst case scenario, pet food.
Because your average citidot consumer expects cheap beef, and cannot tell the difference between a Holstein, or a Hereford, the dairies are paid pretty much the same for the critter they sell, as the cattle FEEDER is paid for his premium product.
It chaps my a$$ to no end, that the heavily subsidized dairy industry b!tches and moans EVERY time the govt. tries to introduce some mode of regulation over them, yet the PRIVATELY owned cattle feeder, be they a commercial yard, or a small feeder with only a few hundred head, pays for the govt. mandated runoff containment, BEEF industy checkoffs, with minimal, if any complaint.
No, gentlemen, the dairy industry is giving the BEEF industry a bad name, and they should be punished by a FEDERAL ban that prohibits any DAIRY breed from being processed for human consumption.

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RodInNS

02-18-2008 14:56:13

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Re: beef recall in reply to Silver Pig, 02-18-2008 07:42:43

and here stupid me though we were all in this mess together. This is ALL the Dairy industry's fault????? HOW??
What would not allowing a dairy breed to be processed for human consumption prove? What would it help? You do realise that a significant swath of the world might not eat beef at all if they didn't have 'dairy' beef... It's actually quite fine to eat if you process it correctly, and there's nothing wrong with eating meat from a healthy dairy cow despite the crap that's been promoted over BSE.

As far as the economic end of things go today on cull dairy cows... It's like this: A good cow is worth about 200 bucks here. A poor one about 50 bucks and a shell isn't worth putting on a truck. That's the same for a cull 'beef' breed. Prices on fat cattle aren't great but they're still 5 times that... so there's going to be a lot of old cows going to the woods if these cull prices continue. It's already happening in areas where it costs too much to transport a cow to slaughter.
There have been many instances here where the auction barn paid the trucker for trucking a cow in to the sale here, didn't get enough to cover the cost of the trucking and then sent a bill to the seller for the outstanding amount. People get cured of that quick. Cow goes to woods or gets buried. Much cheaper that way.

Rod

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trucker40

02-18-2008 08:12:18

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Re: beef recall in reply to Silver Pig, 02-18-2008 07:42:43

Thats right and I heard somewhere that Mad Cow Disease is from feeding cows,cow waste like brain material in cow feed.This stupid practice came from England and Canada,supposedly stopped now but if a packer runs one of them dairy cows from Canada through there it stays on all the machinery from now on.Supposedly the packers knew about this a long time ago.Thats a lot of the reason that countries like Japan refused to buy meat from the United States.Also the USDA has been so watered down that they cant keep up with it.

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rrlund

02-18-2008 10:25:19

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Re: beef recall in reply to trucker40, 02-18-2008 08:12:18

B!tch of it is,they said on the local radio news just a few minutes ago that the recalled meat, (whatever's left of it),won't be destroyed. It'll be sold to other countries or used for "other uses". My rant right below doesn't disagree totally with the rant about dairy cows,BUT,I get down beef brood cows too. Pinched nerves from calving,things like that. What am I supposed to do with the meat from a perfectly healthy but injured cow? Shoot her,dig a hole and burry her? Pretty big economic loss there that I'm supposed to take for some useless politically correct, means nothing to public health,"law". Yet the G@# d@mned media can sensationalize a nothing story in to a huge panic. They even said the the Grand Rapids School District,that has already bought this beef from the federal government through the school lunch program won't even be reimbersed!

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rrlund

02-18-2008 06:30:30

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

That's not factory farming you !#$^%**! I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS I went without ever eating beef from a cow that walked in to a slaughter house on her own. We ate the injured downers. If the freezer was full and we had one down,we hauled her to Ada Beef. Then along comes the mad cow B.S. and all of a sudden,instead of literally eating a good animal,we had to eat her financially. While the "sky is falling" little red hens like you are in a panic over something that was common practice until 4 years ago,I,being the greedy corporate son of a b!tch that I am,am going to load up a load of steers and take advantage of the shortage that was just manufactured by ignorant pain in the a$$ politicians and activists.

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Tradititonal Farmer

02-18-2008 00:46:26

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

Its just a symptom of the sickness called "Agribusiness' that has taken over rural America.Consumers are about fed up with it I might add as the scam is about up.The California milk ad is an example where it shows old Bossy out in a nice green field all clean and 'happy'.
If anyone has been around these large dairies the cows look anything but clean and 'happy' and don't ever get out in that nice green pasture

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RodInNS

02-17-2008 21:07:58

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

What I saw on the news was regarding the processing of downer cows. That's something that ought to be stopped anyway. Put sufficient roadblocks in the way of shipping downers... (we're not allowed to move a downer here) and most of that problem will be cured. They pay so little for them now that it's not worth the risk fo trying anyway. For what it's worth, processing downer cows has nothing to do with factory farms or large processing plants. Some of the most guilty around here over the years have been small farms shipping them to small plants and plant workers distracting the inspector until the cow is snuck through the kill box. It's a simple matter of trying to extract every cent from every carcass with no regard for who has to eat the damn thing. It's also possible that the cow was only going through to have it's hide removed too....

Rod

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alan bane

02-17-2008 18:00:01

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

Theres a documentary out now that explains why some meat is tainted. A restaurant owner had his hamburger inspected and it had cow manure in the meat. In dressing out beef cattle after slaughter sometimes the large intestine is cut and this allows manure to run over the meat and some is absorbed by the meat and can't be washed off.This slaughter house was in southern Texas and they were using cheap labor(Mexicans) that were illegal immigrants. There are a lot of hogs killed around here and they tell me if this happens it ruins the pork.

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WantACaseLASomeday

02-17-2008 17:51:02

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Re: beef recall in reply to Kelly C, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

A couple of the posters have this exactly right - this was caused by an operator trying to cheat the rules and they got caught processing downers. The raw (and yes, sad) fact is that the factory farms and feedlots feed America with the safest and most bountiful food supply in the world. As warm, fuzzy, and nostalgic as some of us get over it, the real truth is that the little truck farms down the road don't feed the nation anymore.

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Heat Houser

02-17-2008 17:46:21

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

The recall was for downer cattle getting into the meat supply. The plant was using a fire hose to spray at the down cow's nose to partially suffocate it and then have it attempt to stand up to escape the water.

If a cow is down, the USDA vet is to check the cow to determine the cause of it being down. This was not done. Of course, BSE is one of the reasons a cow could be down. (but not the only one)

This packing plant supplied a lot of beef to the school lunch program including where I live in Iowa.

Cheap hamburger comes from cull cows, it does not from choice steers.

I raise cattle and I do sell fat cattle and I do sell cull cows. My hamburger that I eat at home comes from my fat cattle, not my cull cows.

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JayinNY

02-17-2008 18:13:33

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Re: beef recall in reply to Heat Houser, 02-17-2008 17:46:21

Heat houser, yes that is what I saw on the news a cow being sprayed with a hose. Do you think that is humane? Im no anmial rights person, but I would never treat a anmial like that. Food or not, you should treat any anmial good until it is butchered. If you broke your ankle, and couldent stand, would you like me to spray you with a hose, or kick the crap out of you until you got up????

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MN Scott

02-17-2008 17:35:27

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

That beef recall has nothing to do with factory farms. The plant in question buys old cull cows for cheap hamburger for government contracts. Under new regulations put in place after the mad cow fiasco in England down cows cannot be slaughtered for human consumption. The nitwit aliens at the plant were caught on film trying to get down cows to stand up so they could be slaughtered for food.

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Weldon K

02-17-2008 18:00:27

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Re: beef recall in reply to MN Scott, 02-17-2008 17:35:27

Right you are Scott. The article I just read had no mention of a contamination problem in any of the company's product. It was brought about as result of a video showing non-ambulatory ( downer ) cows, that had already passed inspection, being moved by forklift. How else could they be moved ? Call the animal rights bunch to get 40 people together to gently lift the cow onto a cow sized gurney a take it to the old cows home ? I seriously doubt that much of the recalled packages are still in the marketing pipeline . As the article states , most of it has already been eaten . In my opinion it is much ado about nothing. Just more media sensationalism.

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arse ole

02-18-2008 07:35:30

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Re: beef recall in reply to Weldon K, 02-17-2008 18:00:27

weldon, I can only hope that you are treated like that on your death bed, as after all you are just another of Gods creatures!! tool

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RodInNS

02-18-2008 14:39:44

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Re: beef recall in reply to arse ole, 02-18-2008 07:35:30

I've gotta ask.... Just how would YOU move a 1400# uncooperative cow that can't walk?

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jayinny

02-18-2008 14:46:42

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Re: beef recall in reply to RodInNS, 02-18-2008 14:39:44

Rod the same way you move a horse, put it down then you can drag it out.

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RodInNS

02-18-2008 19:11:44

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Re: beef recall in reply to jayinny, 02-18-2008 14:46:42

There are a fair number of situations where putting an animal down isn't an option either. I had a beef cow go down while calving a few weeks ago that had to be moved. There is a way of doing that without harming them if one is careful. She was back on her feet later that day and is now feeding the calf while she recovers... but if I hadn't moved her she would be dead. I've also had situations where animals got trapped between the tombstones in a tombstone feeder and the only way to get them out is lifting. Done that with both slings and pallet forks depending on the situation. They all lived for another day, as much as I would have liked to shoot some of them right there.....

Inerestingly enough I just watched the footage on the news from that plant about 10 minutes ago. I can't imagine what they were thinking or if they were thinking at all... There was no need for what I saw there.

Rod

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37 chif

02-17-2008 18:49:14

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Re: beef recall in reply to Weldon K, 02-17-2008 18:00:27

I saw a viedo here of a plant in calif. near Los angeles probably the same viedo you saw. The fork lift operator pushing a downed cow with the forks at the middle of the cow, not under the cow. When the forks went up over the cow the operator tried pushing the cow with the front wheels of the lift. Another worker (brown skin) was laying the hot shot on antoher downer which wasn't getting up at all. The cow just layed there cyring out in pain. That is not righ. My brother sold downers, but they were treated better than what I saw on the viedo, Stan

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Weldon K

02-17-2008 19:11:00

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Re: beef recall in reply to 37 chif, 02-17-2008 18:49:14

I just watched the report that was on NBC news tonight . It did not show what you reported seeing. Perhaps you saw another video or NBC did not show the entire video. However, I agree with you that pushing a downer animal with the points of a forklift is not right ( carrying them, okay ). It is totally unacceptable. Any employees caught doing so should face criminal charges along with supervisory personnel.

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jayinNY

02-17-2008 19:10:10

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Re: beef recall in reply to 37 chif, 02-17-2008 18:49:14

Well chiff at least you have a brain in your head, and can see that stuff like that is not right. I mean, I know anmials break down,get lame and so forth, but any normal person would not abuse them. Some of these people out there, I would love to treat them they they treat anmials. j

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paul

02-17-2008 17:33:58

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

The little outfits have more exposure to infecting meat, but it's all gone before anything is ever figured out. The big outfits get hammered on this, have to throw out a lot of good meat because something showed up from weeks ago.

Mostly it's folks not cooking/ handling the meat right when they get it, just how things are.

Tough deal when it happens, big or small.

--->Paul

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bellyacre

02-17-2008 17:31:15

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

It's not the size of the farm nor the size of the packer that creates the real problem. It's the size of the mouth telling the story.

I'm not in favor of factory farms. But I hate hyped up news stories by by some loudmouth trying to increase their ratings by blasting someone thats having a bad day.

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Dave from MN

02-17-2008 17:01:45

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

Most times it is improper processing. Ussually it is because of improper quality assurance procedures, or proper procedures not being followed by regular everyday people like you and I. If I did not follow the biohazard and animal welfare procedures that the company I raise breeders, they would not renew my contract and I would be the one at fault and would have no reason to blame any one. I do not know why it was recalled.

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Clint Youse MO

02-17-2008 16:21:31

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

The large operations feed out millions of animals that are safely consumed in the Us every year in fact most all diseases found in meat are from in proper care in the home and are introduced by the consumer The operations do not use any different feeds than other operations just in larger quantitys and they are more alert to problems that arise.

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02-17-2008 16:18:02

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Re: beef recall in reply to JayinNY, 02-17-2008 16:03:56

Was reading an article in Mother Earth News today, I don't buy much store bought meat, after that article, I know I will not any more. The factory livestock yards feed too much corn, not enough hay and grass, too many hormones to grow fast, among other things and then gas it, so it will "look good" at the store.
Jim

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jayinny

02-17-2008 16:31:03

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Re: beef recall in reply to JT, 02-17-2008 16:18:02

Bull, meat recalls are not put out by large companies, because a consumer tainted the meat themselves. When meat is processed at such fast speeds, and the meat gets contaminated with feceses, thats part of how it all starts, e coli salmonilla ect. You must no nothing about how meat is processed, to make such a stupid remark.

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jayinny

02-18-2008 16:28:43

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Re: beef recall in reply to jayinny, 02-17-2008 16:31:03

JT, I was responding to the guy who said most meat gets tainted by the consumer, so I asked, if so how would the packer know this, and why issue a recall? This guy tried to say consumers taint the meat, and not packers. Well some consumers do handle there meat improperly. Last fall a meat packer named Topps recalled 27 million pounds of meat. That company now is out of bussiness.

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02-18-2008 11:42:14

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Re: beef recall in reply to jayinny, 02-17-2008 16:31:03

I know enough to know if cattle are not raised properly and not processed properly, it will get contaminated. Your comments make no sense. If I am not mistaken, according to the news, the big company did put out the recall. I am not getting into a conversation with a person who cannot document his words with facts, but can only tell people they are stupid! Jim

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