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Spook

02-29-2008 17:12:40




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I went to my dentist yesterday. He told me that one of his patients, a real estate guy, had brokered the sale on a house, for $680,000. Nice commission. But the owner had paid 1.2 million for the place 6 years ago. This is in Brighton, Michigan. I knew the market was bad, but wow!




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Kelly C

03-01-2008 22:40:04




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
Man am I glad I got in the house buying thing early on. Sold our old house for a profit and got this one. Lost quite a bit of value in the last year but I still owe less than I paid for it.
Papper is plum full of forclosers. The speculators need to get run out of the market.
You know the ones who purchased using a interest only loan. And that interest was variable. Also a nice ballon after 5 years. Stupid loan.

Bad thing about that was for normal people trying to buy a house. Figured they better buy now wile they could still make the payment and possably eat. Or be totaly priced out of the market.
Many of those purchased out of the metro to get a better price and got caught up when gas went up. that took care of the food part.

It will stablize. If you can make your payment best thing to do is wait it out.

I remember watching this and thinking how in the heck are these people affording these houses. Both the wife and I have better than average jobs for this area. These people where making less than me and thier wifes worked part time.
I would not have even thought about buying one of these homes.

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rrlund

03-01-2008 08:54:18




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
I'm on Board of Review up here in the middle of Michigan. Those high end places and the real low end have been awful weak. Up til winter set in,the mid priced places were still moving. A slower pace for sure,but the price of them has been near steady.



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noncompos

03-01-2008 08:15:38




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
jdemaris"s post is a perfect example of how one segment of the real estate market (bubble residential and the land purchased for bubble residential development) can tank while another segment (productive farm land) can still be going up. The worries about a slump, and whether the gov"t decides to inflate it"s way out, may well be driving people with cash or presently liquid investments to turn to productive land as the safest hedge they see.

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bradley martin

03-01-2008 07:57:08




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
That would be quite a kick in the pants!!



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MarkB_MI

03-01-2008 06:02:22




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
Foreclosures here in Oakland County, Michigan peaked out last year at 7643. There have been so many foreclosures that they've had to move the county clerk's office to another part of the building so they have enough room to work. Real estate is in free-fall here. About once a month I count the foreclosure notices in the local paper. It's been running about fifty a day, and the number just keeps going up.

A lot of people with mid-priced houses are "upside-down" on their mortgages: They may not take a loss if they sell, but they refinanced or took out lines of credit so they still owe more than their home is worth. Meanwhile, in the late '90s and early part of this decade, developers were building "McMansions" like crazy: Crackerbox houses that sold for upwards of half a million bucks. Good luck selling one of these overpriced, expensive to maintain monstrosities.

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jdemaris

03-01-2008 07:05:14




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to MarkB_MI, 03-01-2008 06:02:22  
I keeping hearing about Michigan free-fall, and still have trouble finding any land bargains up north. Show me some decent land that's drastically gone down in value or asking-price anywhere in Northern MI - top tip of the lower peninsula or anwhere in the UP. I've made many offers on rural land and there's been very little dickering. There are still many cash buyers, including early-retired auto workers with wads of money in their pockets. I just made a $75,000 cash offer on some land in the potato farming area of Posen (Presque Isle Co.). I offered $75K, and asking price was $79K. The seller acted insulted and blew me off. It later sold for $82K in a bidding war between two other people - both ex GM auto workers.

Most of the foreclosures I've seen happened because people bought what they could not afford.

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Spook

03-01-2008 16:57:05




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to jdemaris, 03-01-2008 07:05:14  
I think a lot of the foreclosures here are due to job losses. Not so much autoworkers, but white collar types who never thought they would be cut back or forced to retire. A lot of people thought they were going be able to choose when they would retire. A white collar engineer over age 50 might as well have a target on his back. They can get a Indian guy for 1/3 the money, no benefits, no retirement. And if he don't work out, they get another one.

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jdemaris

03-01-2008 17:30:03




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 03-01-2008 16:57:05  
Yes, I understand that, but am not overly sympathetic. I've never had a job in my life that I felt totally secure in. For that reason, I wouldn't buy a house based on my one job and income from it, if my skills were not marketable at other places in the area. I know several people who are not skilled, but were employed making well over $1000 a week, and then bought the biggest home their paycheck could get with monthly payments. They knew they were not employable for that rate of pay anywhere else in the area, but overbought anyway.

From what I've seen in many of the foreclosures, people buy beyond their means with homes, and other things - and often expect to get bailed out if things go sour.

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jose bagge

03-01-2008 05:00:06




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
We're seeing this in No Va buy the boatloads...
and I'm hiring real estate brokers as parts salesmen at an amazing rate!
I know of two 1.2 M homes purchased a year ago that sold for less than $750K (and were on the market 90 days or more at those prices). Sad to say, they were $750K homes a year ago as well- but everyone got fooled!
The money is in the dirt, and it's in commercial! I just closed an incredibly profitable store because the landlord raised my rent from 20k/month to 60k! And we had been there 20 years as the anchor tenant!

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Vern-MI

03-01-2008 04:31:54




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
A friend that lived on the east side of GM proving groundsin Milford paid $1,400,000 for a 6,600 square foot home, 4 stall garage with dog shower on two acres. He died and left his widow with a $6,000 / month mortgage so she had to sell. She ended up getting just over $800,000 for it. The house buying mania has finally run it's course. I think the only group to make money from all this is the tax collector.

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noncompos

02-29-2008 21:33:26




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
Real estate, esp residential, has real problems in a lot of places; those areas that escaped the wild ride up are generally doing better, but not much. Numerous RE blogs and sites come up under Googling housing decline, housing crash, housing problems, and the same headings for mortgages, as well as auto loans and credit cards. Of course, these sites often concentrate on the worst declines, but there's lots of cases like Spook's and Mike's.

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Mike of the North

02-29-2008 18:13:40




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 Re: Real estate. in reply to Spook, 02-29-2008 17:12:40  
My wife's house was appraised for $174,000 3 years ago, house next door just went on the market for $134,00, same size lot, larger house, newer also. we are also trying to sell my wife's house.

Mike



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