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Hauling for cost of fuel

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Joe Berendzen

03-03-2008 03:17:15




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I saw an ad from Neverland, USA to Fairyland, USA and request for people to stop posting ads to have a tractor hauled and wanting it hauled for the cost of fuel.
Actually, I thought that was half the idea here. I realize there are a number of haulers wanting to make loads as a way of making a living. But there are many like me who want to transport a tractor or implement and would appreciate a load going the other way to help defray the cost of our trip by having someone help pay for the fuel. In that way we both can more easily afford our farming or hobby. Thanks

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Eldon (WA)

03-03-2008 19:11:44




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
The YT hauling schedule is NOT meant for commercial truckers, yet they are the ones who complain and post about low trucking rates. Go to a real TRUCKER'S website if you want to make money. This site is for hobbyists! Anytime I can get someone to pay for my fuel I'll take it! With the price of diesel, that is going to be the only way I can justify travelling for a tractor anymore.



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Larry NE IL

03-03-2008 08:58:40




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
How about working overtime for lunch money? Heck, you are already there anyway.



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Keith-OR

03-03-2008 10:39:02




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Larry NE IL, 03-03-2008 08:58:40  
Gees lets calulate this, and then use a little logic.. 1. I need to travel 450 miles to pickup a tractor or piece of equipment...My truck( 1T Ford, 460ci) gets 12m/Gal, I don't care how I calculate milage comes out the same, running empty or loaded...down hill with tail wind or up hill into wind, with flat bed or 40 ft fifth-wheel. With gas at $3.25 pr. gal, truck is going to use 37.5 gal of fuel. So 37.5 X $3.25 = $121.88 one way trip. Gotta go anyway, going to have all that wear and tear on my truck and trailer running empty or loaded, and still gonna cost me $121.88 for fuel one way...So which is better, to go empty or loaded to help pay fer fuel.

Boy I would opt out to put "something" on my trailer for getting cost of fuel one way to off set the cost of fuel. just my 2 cents.

Keith & Shawn(Special Olympic Champion)

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El Toto

03-03-2008 10:03:50




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Larry NE IL, 03-03-2008 08:58:40  
Work is different than a hobby. I meet some good people by doing them favors hauling their stuff.

And some have hauled things for me in return.



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Mike (WA)

03-03-2008 08:22:21




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
I got a tractor hauled from Missouri to western Washington for 500 bucks a few years ago- figures to about $.33 per mile, and it was a commercial hauler. He keeps a long list of stuff that guys want hauled, but are not in a big hurry. If he's got space to fill out a load, he calls and lets you know when it will be there. Like he told me, "I had to roll west, and this is 500 bucks I wouldn't have had otherwise." I made it 600, by the way. He's still in business and doing fine, while the ones who always insist on full fees have moved on to other work.

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fixerupper

03-03-2008 07:45:53




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
We need to look at what a 'just for the cost of fuel' load is really going to cost the trucker. If the backhaul is two 5000 pound tractors on a blistering hot summer day, it's going to take a lot of life out of the tires, wheel bearings, etc. In this case, maybe running empty one way might actually be cheaper. A lighter load with little wind resistance on a cool day could be a whole different story. I think you get the idea of the story here by now.

Personally, I'd be willing to pay the hauler a little more than fuel price if he's willing to go to the effort of loading and unloading it for me.Jim

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JTinNJ

03-03-2008 07:14:22




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
You can haul all your own stuff and not have to comply with a lot of the D.O.T. laws. When you put someone elses property on your trailer, you than have to comply with all D.O.T. laws.Saying you are only hauling for the cost of fuel is not going to cut it with the police. Even if you are doing it only for the cost of the fuel.That makes you a carrier for hire.



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El Toto

03-03-2008 07:18:05




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to JTinNJ, 03-03-2008 07:14:22  
"Saying you are only hauling for the cost of fuel is not going to cut it with the police. Even if you are doing it only for the cost of the fuel.That makes you a carrier for hire. "

So who would be stupid enough to say the stuff they are hauling is someone elses?

Anything that is on my trailer is mine, honest.



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Dan-IA

03-03-2008 09:40:45




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to El Toto, 03-03-2008 07:18:05  
Well, I was always taught that possession is 9/10ths of the law...



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JTinNJ

03-03-2008 07:32:25




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to El Toto, 03-03-2008 07:18:05  
I guess you can lie and say it's all yours.



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jdemaris

03-03-2008 06:53:31




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
I'm having trouble finding people who will even charge by loaded mile. Most places I call recently for trucking are now charging by the hour for the entire round trip - usually $100 per hour. I just got a quote to move a small backhoe 150 miles from me. I was told with the hourly rate it would probably cost around $700 - $800 total if all went well. That comes to around $5.33 per loaded mile which sounds pretty steep to me. I DID just get a price quote for a hauler with a big rig in Michigan - a 1000 miles from me. He will truck a big load for $2 per loaded mile - which sounds like a very good deal. He can take a load 8 1/2' wide by 53' long by 80,000 lbs weight and max. machine height of 10'. Anything higher or wider costs more money.

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kyhayman

03-03-2008 06:40:58




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
Lets see, I can back haul empty and eat the entire fuel cost myself or I can pick up a tractor (or etc) and haul it back on free fuel plus maybe get a hundred bucks or so cash at the end for my trouble. Yeah, I think I'll still take the backhaul.



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jokers

03-03-2008 07:47:31




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to kyhayman, 03-03-2008 06:40:58  
"Lets see, I can back haul empty and eat the entire fuel cost myself or I can pick up a tractor (or etc) and haul it back on free fuel plus maybe get a hundred bucks or so cash at the end for my trouble. Yeah, I think I'll still take the backhaul."

Yeah, a backhaul makes sense but the OP said "for fuel" not "for fuel plus a hundred bucks". I`m assuming that you would have factored your expenses to be covered for your trip in both directions and the fuel payment on the way back is just considered gravy but I generally feel that if a person wants something hauled and they won`t buck up for the equipment and maintenance to do it themselves, how can they expect someone else to haul their stuff just for fuel costs?

When you figured your expenses for the initial haul did you factor in wear and tear for loaded in both directions? Better make sure that the extra hundred bucks is understood to be mandatory before agreeing to a backhaul unless you don`t mind hauling someone elses stuff at your expense.

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RustyFarmall

03-03-2008 05:36:55




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
It is a predicament. What most folks don't realize is that hauling just for the cost of the fuel is still going to cost them about 90 cents to one dollar per mile.



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JT

03-03-2008 08:58:31




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-03-2008 05:36:55  
Rusty,
I just picked up a tractor yesterday, gross weight about 11,000 trailer and tractor, at the price of diesel, $3.71 a gallon, it cost me .41 a mile just for the fuel, so I am beginning think $1.00 a mile might not even catch it now.
Jim



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RustyFarmall

03-03-2008 09:28:20




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to JT, 03-03-2008 08:58:31  
$1.00 per mile will not cover the expenses. If I am not mistaken, I think the amount that the state of Iowa will reimburse employees who drive their own personal vehicles for job related duties is 63 cents per mile. This would be for driving to special training classes,etc., using the employees own car. Not a truck hauling anything.



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dej(jed)

03-03-2008 04:18:43




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
You have a bunch of haulers who can't make ends me, so they try to charge a bundle. There are a few who are reasonable though.



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railhead

03-03-2008 04:28:29




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to dej(jed), 03-03-2008 04:18:43  
To stay legal costs a bundle. DOT laws seem to change weekly in the favor of taking more of your money and as I used to drive OTR a lot I saw DOT harrassing hot shot type haulers more than big rigs. It would be hard as a hauler to stay in the black financially....not to mention the ridiculous price of fuel. Then the time to rearrange a load, wait to be loaded, make a detour to get an item or two...all adds up seriously. I see both sides but the average guy who has a tractor he thinks can be hauled for nothing is not seeing the whole picture.

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MF Poor

03-03-2008 05:14:40




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to railhead, 03-03-2008 04:28:29  
It never hurts to ask though.

Everyone is feeling the pinch of higher fuel cost. The internet has made it easier to find buyers willing to pay full price for that old 8N. For the guy who"s trying to jockey equipment for a living, it"s getting tough to make a buck. For the guy who wants Grampas old M hauled across country and has $250 to get it there, he ends up selling it where it sets and giving up on bringing it home.

As they say, That"s life.

OR. Take a chance that SOMEONE will be willing to break even on their trip across 2 states to get their tractor home by tossing out the offer to defer some of their fuel cost by bringing your tractor along for the ride.

Would I haul someone elses tractor for chicken feed? Probably not. If I was buying a tractor 500 miles from home and I thought someone coming my way would throw it on their trailer and bring it this way for $.75 a mile, would I ask them? Probably so. Never hurts to ask.

I understand how a full-time, LEGAL hauler would want that job, on his terms, at his prices. But by the same token, I understand why people ask for a miracle. You probably won"t get it unless you ask. The tougher times get, the more request"s for those miracles you"ll be seeing most likely.

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DaveS

03-03-2008 03:34:25




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Joe Berendzen, 03-03-2008 03:17:15  
I'm on my first cup of coffe, but did I read that wrong?

I can't imagine anybody having a reason to ask other people to stop posting the hauling ads. Doesn't make sense. Hauling for the cost of fuel helps both sides. The hauler is heading to a specific destination, and if both can benefit from it, why not?



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El Toto

03-03-2008 05:01:55




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to DaveS, 03-03-2008 03:34:25  
I don't haul for a living, just my own stuff. But if I have to go pick up a purchase of mine a few states away I will gladly haul another guys hobby tractor for the price of gas. It helps me and helps them.

If people are in the business of hauling they can certainly just ignore the ads. No use to ruin it for those of us that want that type of transaction.



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Bruce Hopf

03-03-2008 05:20:16




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to El Toto, 03-03-2008 05:01:55  
I agree. Today every little bit helps cover the costs.



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tiresntracks

03-03-2008 09:17:13




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to Bruce Hopf, 03-03-2008 05:20:16  
I agree, too. I've picked up tractors for myself several hundred miles away. With the price of diesel these days, I'd be happy to have someone pay for my fuel one way. I'd even haul a tractor for less than the cost of fuel if it was on my route, and easy to load and unload. It sure beats paying for the whole trip myself.



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Bruce Hopf

03-03-2008 18:35:40




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 Re: Hauling for cost of fuel in reply to tiresntracks, 03-03-2008 09:17:13  
Yes. A big hole in your pocket book if you don't try. Like the old saying, A penny saved is a penny earned.



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