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Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H

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frankiee

03-15-2008 17:44:56




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The old Farmall H at my dads has not been charging again. No big deal. I will get to it later.
It is 6 volt with a gen and I want to keep it that way.
But, I was thinking of hooking up one of those solar battery chargers. I would hook it up to the 6 volt battery and just leave it on all the time. I was thinking 3 or 4 watt.
Has anyone done this?
Would 3 or 4 watts be enough?
Should I disconnect it when the tractor is started?

Sounds like I am playing, I am.
The tractor only runs for about 20 minites every other day to haul wood to the house.
Most of the time we dont know if the battery is full or half dead. Sometimes I think that old girl would run off penlight batteries.

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DiyDave

03-17-2008 16:23:50




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to frankiee, 03-15-2008 17:44:56  
Maybe I shouldn't be tellin you guys this secret, but iff'n you take the solar panel and the wires out'n an old 6V fence charger, and hook the wires up right, they'll charge your battery good, and most of these chargers go for about a buck or two at farm auctions.



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frankiee

03-18-2008 16:40:11




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to DiyDave, 03-17-2008 16:23:50  
Thanks for the tip



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jdemaris

03-16-2008 07:25:43




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to frankiee, 03-15-2008 17:44:56  
Don't get fooled by specs. A solar panel rated at 4 watts will rarely put out more than 2.5 watts in bright sunshine. That 4 watts is basically theorectical and only happens in rare situtions with extreme cold weather and a few other factors like snow cover and high reflection. Solar panels over-produce in cold temps. Long story short - a 4 watt panel is worthless for what you want. If you have a lot of sun, it could be used as a battery maintainer, not a charger.

Also, 6 volt panels are not common. Even 12 volt panels are getting a bit scarce, as 24, 48, and 72 volts become more common. You might need a controller if you buy certain panels - and with a controller - you have more loss.

Take tha 2.5 watts - and you've got less then 1/2 amp at 6 volts - which isn't much.

I live in a poor sunshine area of New York, and I have several solar battery maintainers for tractors that spend most of their lives sitting. I use 15 watt panels and they work well enough to maintain batteries that are already charged. Not to charge run down batteries.

You can buy some pretty good 15 watt panels with battery cables for $60 if you shop around.

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frankiee

03-16-2008 10:27:11




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to jdemaris, 03-16-2008 07:25:43  
Yes. Thatis what I meant to say.
I did not clearly state the objectives in the original post. Sorry.
This tractor sits alot of the time and if the battery runs down then it can freeze. That has happened in the past. When it does run it just hauls fire wood 200 feet.
It runs such short times and slow speeds that I dont know if it gets a proper charge when the generator is working.
What I was thinking of is what you said. A battery maintainer.
Something cheap where we could point it in a direction where if there was sun then it could use it to put a bit of power to the battery.
I figure we would not want it too big or over charge would be a problem. Some thing that would not hurt the battery if left hooked up for a month. I think I have seen them for cars that are left sitting all winter.
Thanks

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jdemaris

03-16-2008 10:42:30




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to frankiee, 03-16-2008 10:27:11  
For a small battery, a panel rated at 5 watts can just barely do the job a moderate sun area. If a dark gloomy area - like many places on the east and west coast - you need more.

Here in New York, I use several - and a 15 watt panel works well, all winter, with no controller.

As you probably aleady know, Volkswagen was giving them away (with new cars) and they plugged into the cigarette lighter. They sell outright for around $50 for a 2 watt model, and $100 for a 6 watt. The larger 6 watt is needed unless you live in a very bright area.

Small panels are very expensive with the price per watt and - they are also not as good quality as larger panels. I can buy 120 watt panels at $3 per watt. The small panels often cost $15 - $20 per watt.

You also need a way to charge a 6 volt battery, and you won't find many 6 volt panels.

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T_Bone

03-16-2008 13:06:04




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to jdemaris, 03-16-2008 10:42:30  
Hi JD,

Where can you buy 120w PV's for $3/w? I just bought two more US64(64w) Friday night as that was the best bang for the buck I could find at $4.83w. I would have jumped on two 120w for a little more.

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Hi Frankiee,

If your going to go with a trickle charger, Wally World has Schmuacher 1.5a, PWM, 6/12v chargers for $18. PWM chargers have a bulk charge, finish charge and a float charge mode for keeping the battery maintained in top condition without ever overcharging. It would take aprrox 24hrs to recharge a dead battery with this recharger.

T_Bone

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jdemaris

03-16-2008 13:25:33




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to T_Bone, 03-16-2008 13:06:04  
I get my best buys from Sun Electronics in Miami, Florida. Last batch of panels I bought (two months ago) were $2.80 per watt. I just checked today and they are now $3.34 per watt. They're always wavering back and forth - one reason is that Germany is buying them like crazy and driving up prices.

Sun sells several brands - but their store-brand, that they market as SUN brand, are usually Evergreen panels made in Massachusetts with cosmetic blemishes. Full performance, and full warranty - they just don't look perfect if you look real close - slight waves in some of the foil inside. I will also add, that sometimes they have some deals even cheaper - but those get advertised as "outside the USA only." Don't worry about it - they don't mean it and will sell and ship to anyone. Link

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T_Bone

03-16-2008 07:02:11




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to frankiee, 03-15-2008 17:44:56  
Hi Frankiee,

A 3w PV won't charge a dead battery or serrious depleted battery in a acceptable amount of time. For solar charging I found that 15v is a realistic number on 12v systems for calculating PV wattage requirements. A 12v PV will produce more than 15v, more like 21v open voltage but that's just not a useable number to use as it will cause you to under size the actual PV wattage requirement.

So that would be 7.5v on a 6v system. At 3w/7.5v=0.4ahr(amps per hour) that the PV will charge at. That's enough to maintain the state of charge in a fully charged battery without a CC(charge controller) and without overcharging the battery. A CC is nothing more than a voltage regulator. You'll need a CC on any PV greater than 5w or the battery will over charge if given enough recharging time.

At 0.4ahr then with a PV tracking the sun (move the PV once at 1pm to face west and once at dusk to face east) then we can plan on 8 solar collecting hours in full sun, cloudy then about 1/2 of the rated amp/hr, or about 3.2amps/day output on a 3w rated PV.

If you have a typical 6v starting battery at a 100ahr capiticy, then 100ahr/(3.2a/day)=31days/2= 16days to recharge a battery that's 50% discharged with a 3w rated PV.

And yes, you would need to put a 5a diode in one leg of the PV wire to keep the battery from discharging at night.

If you run a battery much past a 50% discharge rate then it will severely shorten the battery life.

T_Bone

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Janicholson

03-16-2008 04:45:05




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to frankiee, 03-15-2008 17:44:56  
Sure it will work. The panel should be able to make 7 to 8 volts open circuit. The load will appear to be pretty stiff when the battery is discharged, so if the cells are possible to damage by shorting, I would put a current limiting resistor in series to keep it operational. Make sure there is no internal drain (leak while shut off) on the H. A drain will prevent the low current flow from accumulating a charge. JimN

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36 coupe

03-16-2008 03:20:57




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 Re: Solar battery charger for 6 volt Farmall H in reply to frankiee, 03-15-2008 17:44:56  
A small solar panel will cost far more than fixing the generator.Solar panels should cost less the way they are made now but I see no price drop.Farm Alls have a charge rate switch in the ammeter box, you might have a problem in there.



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