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IaGary

03-20-2008 18:07:46

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I bought a 12 row 30 inch planter. My old planter was 36 inch rows.

That means we gotta narrow down 2 tractors.

The planter tractor and the sprayer tractor.

Sure made a lot of extra work with this switch.

Still have to widen the axle on the sprayer to straddle 4 30" rows.

Don't know if I like that loader on a narrow tractor.

Gary

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flying belgian

03-21-2008 19:07:47

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

You do not have to narrow the sprayer tractor. Just widen it out to straddle 3 rows and set your sprayer tires acordingly. Put the loader on that tractor and you will have real good stability and a smooth ride with sprayer. I been doing that for years. Neighbors think it looks stupid with tread set that wide but it works great.

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RickL

03-21-2008 05:49:03

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

been there done that years back when ran the red stuff. 1086 without spaced duals you will notice alot more rock roll side to side that before. Loader yea not near as stabble in the hills. And like mentioned earlier the mud dues really pack into the cab sometimes. I have since moved everything back out on my tractors after selling the planter and yea you will miss the wider mor stable ride,especiall the side to side wobble. Have fun. See you got kinze with insecticide boxes yet that pretty rare anymore from units I been doing. Maybe one in 15 units will have it. Not bad mouth you,don't take it that way its just what i see on my end. just not as popular anymore thats all. If that a new unit with no till coulters please check your disc openers behind the coulter and see IF THEY TURN. They changed design on coulter mount bracket and if the little frogs ahead of disc opener is not rebent then the coulter bracket will lock them up. Have fun, more kinzes tomorrow, finishing twin row great plains unit today. betwen the two brands now days that i been doing if I bought new again it would be great plains unit now . Did you get the point row shutoff option. PS have a 895 Buhler loader for sale if know anyone interested also 595

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IaGary

03-21-2008 06:31:30

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to RickL, 03-21-2008 05:49:03

I will check those coulters. Yes I got the point row clutches.

I got insecticide cause of the root worms starting to show up in corn following beans.

I know they have RT corn but you have to have refuge acres and I don't want them flat on the ground.

There are and will be other treatments for beans and corn also.

Figured this will be the last planter I will buy and didn't want to wish down the road that I would have got insecto.

Gary

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RickL

03-21-2008 05:48:28

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

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135 Fan

03-20-2008 20:40:24

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

I narrowed my back wheels so the tractor was easier to put on a Bobcat trailer. I have since put them wider. One problem I had, was in muddy conditions the mud would pack in between the tires and the cab. Once the mud started to dry and firm up, it would make the tire get hot and actually wear rubber off the side of the tire. You could smell burning rubber. I can't always stay away from mud and didn't want to ruin a new set of rear tires. Dave

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fixerupper

03-20-2008 20:12:33

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

Now you'll have to worry about those axle stubs when you're gettin up close to something with the loader. They'll rip a gate right off the post and split the post to boot. Don't ask me how I know.Jim

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MN Scott

03-20-2008 20:09:57

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

Have a neighbor that pulls a 12 row 30" planter with a 1486. He left the wheels set for 38" rows and runs a set of duels. Claims it makes no differance on the tire track row? Says he needs the tractor for haying and its to big of a job to move the wheels 2X a year. Are you going to run duels? A loaded 12 row pulls hard around here in the hills, most use a dueled MFD tractor.

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IaGary

03-20-2008 20:41:15

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to MN Scott, 03-20-2008 20:09:57

I will pull the Kinze enco fold with the other 1086. May use duals maybe not depends on the weather. Pulled a 8 row centerpivot with 7 interplant units without dauls before and this planter is about 5000 lbs. lighter.

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IaGary

03-20-2008 20:45:54

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 20:41:15

Should have said this 1086. Will narrow it down and the duals and the main tires will be between the rows. I did see a difference in the corn with planting in the tractor tracks before.

With 36 inch rows I couldn't get the dauls wide enough. I can with the 30 inch rows.

Gary

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MPK

03-20-2008 19:34:46

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

It will be OK. I ran a 4020 like that for years without problems without duals most of the time. It would rock a little but you get used to it.

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IaGary

03-20-2008 19:38:30

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to MPK, 03-20-2008 19:34:46

I guess what makes it so top heavy looking is that cab. But it's all air inside of it.

And when I sing with the radio its hot air so that ought to keep it upright.

It still measures 80" on the outside. I guess that is still wider than the 460 with the loader use to be.

Gary

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Leland

03-20-2008 19:09:29

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

I drove a 2590 case narrowed up like that and belive me I was never so glad to put a set of duals back on something in my life .On flat level ground it felt like it could go over any minute .

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Don L C

03-20-2008 18:56:03

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

Yea I noticed that the tractor was very narrow..... you better re think about the loader..... .Don

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Allan In NE

03-20-2008 18:22:23

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

Oh for sure,

Remember when I pulled that stunt, it took me a month to quit worrying if the wind was gonna blow those tractors over.

They just have that look about 'em that at any minute they'll just take a notion to "lie down". :>)

They're stable as a rock tho, Gary. You'll get used to it.

Allan

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IaGary

03-20-2008 18:31:42

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to Allan In NE, 03-20-2008 18:22:23

Nother thing that worries me a little is I had to take off that bar between the fuel tank and the wheel to get it narrow enough.

But I was told by the dealer it will be alright cause 4 out of 5 loaders don't go back to the reatr axle anyway.

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RickL

03-21-2008 05:56:23

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:31:42

Gary seen some of them just cut the bar drop it down over then come back if you want it. my 895 loader has them the 595 does not so far can't tell any difference other then step on when get in on one unit

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Kansas Cockshutt

03-21-2008 00:08:01

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:31:42

That DOES worry me. Loader arms sure can put a lot of leverage on mounts and I sure think having a tieback to the axle sure makes them less likely to pretzel; but saying that it sure looks like you don"t do much earthmoving so you should not run into anything too hard quickly, right?

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MF294-4

03-20-2008 18:21:21

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

Brother just got rid of his Hesston 666DT utility loader tractor and got a MF3660 row crop set up for 30's. He wasn't long putting the duals back on. He didn't like the feel of it with the loader.

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Brent R. Weaver

03-20-2008 18:13:33

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Re: Phase 2 of the change over in reply to IaGary, 03-20-2008 18:07:46

Had a JD 4020 with a loader set for 30" rows never a problem. You'll be OK.

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