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OT ..my head buried in the sand

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Roy Suomi

03-31-2008 15:03:33




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I just found out today that Boyd Coddington passed away in February...I always watched his show , "American Hotrods " on TV..I was actually awaiting a new series of shows this year..I wonder what "ball buster" Duane is doing now?? .I'm gonna miss seeing that show... R.I.P. Boyd




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ericlb

04-01-2008 04:59:07




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to Roy Suomi, 03-31-2008 15:03:33  
shoot im even worse i didnt know he passed untill i just read your post, he was among the best rod builders of all time, will be missed by everybody, in spite of the tretricals for the tv show, i enjoy these new "reality" shows, i had given up on tv, due to all the boring sit coms, and "home remodeling" farces where the cute chicky obviosly knows very little about building, and somebody needs to tell her we already did the '70's i was there they werent that good, i usually watch old movies on teh western channell or tcm, but these new shows are at least enjoyable

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Greg_Ky

03-31-2008 23:58:12




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 Speaking of Rods in reply to Roy Suomi, 03-31-2008 15:03:33  
Anyone going to the Grand Rod Run in Pigeon Forge 4/17 - 4/20?



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toolz

03-31-2008 18:04:05




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to Roy Suomi, 03-31-2008 15:03:33  
Boyd Coddington and John Buttera both died within a few weeks. Legendary car builders that pioneered much of what is seen today. They were both young enough to make many more contributions to the hobby. Lost talent that will be impossible to replace.



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Verniee

03-31-2008 16:28:45




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to Roy Suomi, 03-31-2008 15:03:33  
Just like the Ax Men on History Channel. Over dramitization to give it a hard edge.

A complete waste of time.



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Billy NY

03-31-2008 18:06:27




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to Verniee, 03-31-2008 16:28:45  
How many of us worked on crews in environments similar or the same ? It's a familiar scene to many of us, but does give an outsider a good perspective as to what takes place to harvest timber.

The guy who quit, or wanted to, how many of us have been there ? A little over dramatic, I mean that heavy boat anchor on tracks, (sherman tank) called a yarder is going to get stuck every so often. You do your best, it gets stuck you get it out. I've seen dozens of those daily quitters over the years, they usually get weeded out of a crew, no one wants to deal with it especially the foremen.

Ok, now I'll be somewhat critical, and I know nothing of their particular business but have been around very similar equipment most of my life, there are a lot of similarities, yet I still no nothing of what they do, but only what I see.

Last night they (forget what outfit) dropped a tree on the skyline, it was an obstacle, A. before you set the line, would'nt you have seen that ? It stuck out, the one lone tree to survive the winds that blew down that area. B.) Once the line is or was up, forestry says you leave healthy standing trees like this, and ok it becomes a problem after, well gee, would'nt you have put your spurs on, climbed up and lopped off sections until you could control it's fall or get it under the skyline vs. breaking skyline, damaging the car, having to splice the skyline, re-set same, fix the car and having to pay a crew for the down time ? Very possible I am completely wrong but the goal here is to minimize down time and NOT knock that line down, think they played that up for TV ? Maybe they wrote the cost of that into the scene, and the outfit was paid to make the show interesting.

Now one has to think, he's really trying to get over the hump with old equipment, that is no joke trying to get established and profitable depending on equipment as we all know, my father used to warn me about business's like that, because they can eat you alive to keep em going, the crew went home but the owner had to stay to recover proeduction losses, that darned tree in the way was an expensive one. Got to get those logs to the mill or you don't get paid.

I think these are the dramatics they are trying to exploit for the show to make it interesting for an audience that is assumed to know nothing of these kind of operations. I give that guy a lot of credit for not losing it when the tree dropped the skyline, the tag line did not work to control the fall, or..... was it planned, he was just too cool about it ? So was the guy who dropped the tree on it. That was a costly problem, won't call it a mistake, looked like one though.

These jobs don't seem to pay an awful lot either, they are a few hundred thousand each, one piece of equipment can be worth more than a job, and look at all the payables, payroll, insurance trucking, fuel, repairs, maintainance, injuries etc. etc. These guys on those crews can't be making high wages, and they must certainly love what they do.

This is no doubt a rough racket to run a business in, extremely hazardous, expensive equipment and the jobs themselves do not pay a lot, at least from what I am seeing.

The production numbers they tabulated in loads, seems like you are comparing apples to oranges, if they are to be taken as comparisons, it's really just a report, as nothing is the same, all different sites, topography, weather, soils, equipment, supervisors, methods etc.

I tried to notice the difference between outfits, was it Browning, they have later model equipment, fly in the skyline with a helicopter, and the rigging they used looked newer judging by what you can see. I can't imagine keeping up with the equipment and this owners high production standards in that environment, and without the latter in regards to production the business is done, I know that from running crews of union ironworkers, they have to show up and produce or the job is in the drink quickly, unless you can stop the payroll clock.

It has to be a tall order to produce a show on something like this, one would think that some things we have seen have been orchestrated behind the scenes.

All this from what I see, be great to hear from a logger working on the crew, I liked the show so far it is what it is, and I hope all those guys get home safe every night, that part of the job is no joke.

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NCWayne

03-31-2008 15:25:09




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to Roy Suomi, 03-31-2008 15:03:33  
Never really watched the show but flipped through it several times when it was on. There was simply way, way, way too much adversity, or simply stupid "office politics" going on around that shop. It just amazes me sometimes how much drama there is on just about every "reality" type show that has come on over th past few years. If I had to work under the same conditions as they guys there at Coddingtons place did, or the ones on American Chopper do for that matter, I'd have quit or gone absolutely "postal" the first day....

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alg

03-31-2008 18:57:17




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to NCWayne, 03-31-2008 15:25:09  
Speaking of American Choppers.What happened to "Vinnie"He's no longer on the show.I didn't see what happened to him.Probably got tired of the BS.



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jayinNY

03-31-2008 16:10:52




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to NCWayne, 03-31-2008 15:25:09  
Billy, I couldent agree more. I have often wondered if all the arguging on AC was nothing more than an attention grabber, to get people to tune in? Well it sure has worked as those guys have done great for themselves.



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Billy NY

03-31-2008 16:42:00




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to jayinNY, 03-31-2008 16:10:52  
Ya know, some people are highly critical of their product, and probably the show itself. I think you would have to interview a producer, and the questions you would ask would probably be a trade secret, as it would give away the means and methods used to make it interesting, it's been on for how long now ? I like the fact that a lot of the bikes went for auction that raised money for good causes, at least that is what we are led to believe. You never really know where the money goes unless you are handling it.

It's also great to see someone become successful, and enjoy what they do, were'nt they just a steel fabrication shop, iron works, etc. not sure if they did structural steel or larger fab jobs, but to use that as a stepping stone and become what they are today is a great achievement in a world of seemingly growing negativity. More important than anything, aside from the bikes and the show, they set a good example so far, I'd rather see something like this then the news, that is for sure.

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jayinNY

03-31-2008 16:47:39




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to Billy NY, 03-31-2008 16:42:00  
Billy, I think Paul Sr. got started in metal fab by making wraught iron railings, or some other iron fab. I remember them saying early on"Its nice to have a iron shop just up staires" or something to that effect.



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Old Roy agiin

03-31-2008 20:34:29




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to jayinNY, 03-31-2008 16:47:39  
I think Paul Sr. was referring to his tube and pipe shop that was located above the sheet metal shop in upper lot, where the frames were fabricated. I did see last year they were breaking ground for a completely new building to contain both shops.



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RobMD

03-31-2008 15:52:06




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to NCWayne, 03-31-2008 15:25:09  
I agree completely - it's show biz, and I really don't "flow" with it.



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JayinNY

03-31-2008 15:31:13




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to NCWayne, 03-31-2008 15:25:09  
Yeah, I had about enough of Paul Sr. and Pauly Jr. going at it! But with the money there raking in, I guess they can do it.



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Billy NY

03-31-2008 15:51:15




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 Re: OT ..my head buried in the sand in reply to JayinNY, 03-31-2008 15:31:13  
Something tells me, a lot of that has to come from production, television production, not bikes, the drama and all the other antics to keep the reader interested and the show from being too boring.

Criticsm aside, it's been a successful venue, sure beats miscellaneous metal fabrication and competing for work I'll bet. Kind of neat to watch the new building go up, kid shows up in shorts when topping off the steel, 100 deg outside. Sr knew better at least ! I know the crane outfit that did the erection job, good family outfit, they must be ready to finally occupy, time sure does fly.

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