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Nancy Howell

04-01-2008 04:28:38

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In the news this am, they were reporting that truckers are parking their rigs for three days starting today. Poor choice of words by the reporter "truckers want you to feel their pain". Duh! We are feeling their pain. In fact, we get bitten twice. All of us pay the high price at the pump and we pay the high prices in the stores that result from the high transport costs.

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tlak

04-01-2008 14:53:42

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Alex.C, 04-01-2008 13:39:25

You don't think it's the tailend of 8 years of crooked Repugs?

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TRH

04-01-2008 15:01:40

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to tlak, 04-01-2008 14:53:42

"You don't think it's the tailend of 8 years of crooked Repugs?"

I doubt it. The DEMONCRAPS have control of Congress. What have the Dems done since gaining control of Congress, besides NOTHING? All this crap is happening on the DEMOCRAPS watch.

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tlak

04-01-2008 15:15:44

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to TRH, 04-01-2008 15:01:40

Waa, Waa ,Waa Nothing happened on the Repugs watch? Bush was thryin to seen how much, how fast he could give eveything away to big business.

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135 Fan

04-01-2008 10:40:13

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

The gravel truckers association up here went on strike and industry was at a stand still! Don't under estimate the importance of trucking. It's not cheap to run a truck. The truckers got what they wanted and there were some very bad events during the strike, including sabotoging trucks of non members and even a shooting I think. A line up of about 15 gravel trucks drove down a freeway at a very slow speed to make a point. If enough truckers got together and protested. it can make a huge difference. Dave

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rrlund

04-01-2008 10:58:13

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to 135 Fan, 04-01-2008 10:40:13

Only in that it would get them a rate increase. Not that it would bring down the price of fuel.

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Concerned

04-01-2008 09:33:11

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

Another thing adding to the fuel cost of running a rig is the reduced fuel milage obtained with the new emission requirements. I do not believe low sulpher fuel by it's self has reduced fuel economy but the emission controls, mandated by the government, on the newer diesels have reduced fuel economy by 20 to 25%.

I do not know how much carbon is produced by a gallon of diesel but I wonder how much if any total reduced carbon output we have actually gained if we are using 25% more fuel.

But what I really do not understand in these times of tight oil supplies is why the government would be so assinine as to impose regulations that will increase the demand for diesel when fuel economy should be the emphasis.

This "knee jerk feel good" country has got some hard times ahead of it if our government does not get it's head out of it's a**. Surcuming to "junk" science, "Al Gorasms" and the United Nations policy wonks has to end. Lack of common sense is taking us down a dirt road with no end in sight.

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rrlund

04-01-2008 10:17:28

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Concerned, 04-01-2008 09:33:11

That's "Gorbasm"

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concerned

04-01-2008 15:25:06

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to rrlund, 04-01-2008 10:17:28

rrlund, I stand corrected!!! LOL

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Leland

04-01-2008 09:22:13

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

Nancy if you only had a real clue on what it takes for an owner operator to keep going today .Then your foot would not be in your mouth so much !

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Nancy Howell

04-01-2008 10:45:20

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Leland, 04-01-2008 09:22:13

My foot is not in my mouth. You missed my point which was I disliked the reporter's wording "they (truckers) want us to feel their pain". That makes the truckers look like the bad guy when they're not. They're getting soaked at the pump like all of us, they have to buy the same things we buy at higher prices, etc. They've got families and kids they're trying to raise and put through school and their $ are shrinking just like mine and everyone else's.

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Leland

04-01-2008 13:06:44

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 10:45:20

Well the way I took your post your bashing them for adding there fuel surcharge on for each load they deliver .Live behind the wheel for around 120 hours a week ,and then complain about them adding extra charges . This strike is long over due bacause convicts have better living quarters than truckers and end up with better benefits .

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Nancy Howell

04-02-2008 13:40:05

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Leland, 04-01-2008 13:06:44

How many times and how many ways would you like me to say the truckers are not the bad guys?

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Bruce Hopf

04-01-2008 08:34:02

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

When they brought deregulation in the 80s, what they should have done was say that your company could mot exceed more than 100 power units, in order to keep rates, where truckers, company drivers, and owner operators could make a decent living, without running around the clock to make ends meet.
When you have companies like Schnieder National, and JB Hunt, with more than 15000 to 20000 power units on the highway, you can not compete.
I was an owneroperator leased on with Schnieder National out of Ontario Canada, and I showed the higher ups of the company, in black and white, that they were making a proffit based on 1 penny per mile. At htat time they had 14000 company trucks, on the road. Take those 14000 power units, multiply by average 500 miles per day> Multiply that by one penny, than by average 360 days per year. The amout was was herendous. Well nedless to say, they wern't happy with my outcome, because they were constantly complaining, that they wern't making a proffit.
I was terminated shortly after. They couldn't handle sombody telling the truth, or sombody that wasn't just a dumb truckdriver, that they expected.

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JTinNJ

04-01-2008 12:54:09

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Bruce Hopf, 04-01-2008 08:34:02

If .01 per mile is net than $25,200,000.00 is not so bad.

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Bruce Hopf

04-01-2008 15:49:49

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to JTinNJ, 04-01-2008 12:54:09

Yeah. 25,200,000 is based on one single penny per mile. How can an owner operator compete with that, or a small flete. There is no way in the world. I'm glad I got out of it 8 years ago. Was a driver for 3 years, then owner operator for 10 years. I don't miss it at all. Just some of the people I used to assoiate with.
Bruce.

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rrlund

04-01-2008 08:23:03

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

Some are maybe. I saw all three of the neighbors rigs roll in loaded yesterday. They all went out this morning. Hauling potatoes I'm assuming. Trouble with parking them in a case like that,if you refuse the load,they'll call somebody else and once you've shown yourself to be unreliable,the phone doesn't ring anymore.

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bradk

04-01-2008 08:31:02

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to rrlund, 04-01-2008 08:23:03

Very well said rrlund!

If I were a trucker,no way I would park.Bills still need to get paid.Sounds like an unorganized mess.

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the tractor vet

04-01-2008 07:15:49

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

Well we will see as myself i have been through two truck strikes . Back in the 70's , and the one back in the 80's . AS i was and owner operator . DID it do any good ????? First off ya can never get EVERYBODY on board and there is never a common goal . Back in the 80's there were the ones that wanted the deregulation well they got that as everybody wanted to have there little company and get the whole pice of the pie , They wanted wanted lower fuel prices , they wanted one licsence plate one gross weight, they wanted higher speed limits . Then the fed's say ok here ya go . SO now everybody can do there owne thing. What happens everybody cuts rates and along come the big freight co. that cut deals with the truck and trailer co. for cheaper trucks and trailer make big deals with the fuel co.s and tire co.and buy for way over half of what pour Joe Blow is paying . They get there CDL through and this get the pour old TRUCK driver off the road because he can not pass the written test , was he a bad truck driver NO he was the guy that was a darn good driver that learned through the old school of hard knocks never made it thru the 9th grade but one thing he was good at was his job. He was the old school driver that would stop and give ya hand or that would give ya his last dollar so you could get a burger . Now is this thing going to work NOT IN A HEART BEAT as i set here typen this i just saw one of the local coal haulers go past on his way to get fuel and a Pumpkin truck and JB Hunt go past along with UPS semi and there is a garbage truck picking up a couple house past me and there goes another freight hauler headed for one of the shops . Just because a hand full say that we are going to have a strike there are fifteen other co. out there that are just loven the fruitelss efforts of the few as they will get and extra couple loads. The problem today is plain old GREED and the gov. knows this as ya could not get two people to stand together and agree on if the sun was shinning in the same spot at the same time . If ya want to get them to take notice the , First ya got to shut off the fuel supply , next the flow of food, and the biggie shut off the BEER SHIPMENTS . In Todays trucking ind. ya are driving more payen more and getting less . Myself i made more money BEFORE dereg. working thru someone else's wrights and before the NEW breed of freight haulers came along. Now today ya look at a used truck at the miles that are racked up on them ya start looken for the refueling port built into the roof . For you people that have never parked your donkey in the command center of a large car and put a 1000 miles under your belt in one day and yes i know you can't do that it is illegal but it is done everyday . And at times forced on the driver by the company . We have done this all to ourselfs as we will not stick together because Joe Blow may make ten cents more then you did . .

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Nancy Howell

04-01-2008 07:49:44

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to the tractor vet, 04-01-2008 07:15:49

When I was growing up, my dad would tell me "when you start driving, if you ever have a problem, waive a trucker down. They're the best people on the road." Unfortunately, that's no longer true.

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the tractor vet

04-01-2008 09:52:33

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 07:49:44

Nancy , at one time my area of this planet was knowen as the owner operator capital of the world .There were steel haulers coal haulers refer haulers freight haulers and everybody knew everybody .Myself i was mostly a coal hauler and one of the first to start running over the road with a semi dump . We did not run as hard back then and did not have to put the miles on that ya do today . And avg. year of driven was under the 100000 mile mark and we made anywhere from a 1.25 a mile for local work up to 2.75 a mile on the over the road special loads of alloys . I hauled a lot of bulk mixen salt to feedmills and alloys to steel mills and scrap out of scrap yards to mills . Hauled tons of road salt to Ohio , Pa. and Ind. Loved the work and took great pride in my outfit . Had a ton of friends on the road met lots of GOOD PEOPLE . And ya always ran into someone you knew at every truck stop . IF ya had a problem on the road and you pulled of before ya could get out of the truck to ch3kc it out there was atleast three other trucks pulled off behind ya .IF ya had a flat tire or a blowout and only had one spare one of the other guys would give you his spare to get ya to a truck stop . Now today if ya have a problem on the road and you pull off to see what is wrong there are fifty trucks that try and see if they can run over ya and not one that would stop to see if you were alwright or if they could help. Has the truck traffic dropped off , Not here . Just got off the phone with one of my buddys that is still tryen to make a meger living with a big truck and he was telling me that he heard that two companys have cut there drivers pay to keep going . At the one company from what he tells me , now this is hear say that forty driver quiet over it . Myself i know oh so well on what it takes for one little guy to make it with a truck . When you owen a truck it is not a truck anymore but a mistress and you spend more time with it then you do with the family . When you are in off the road the truck always needs something . When ya think tha there will be some extra money in the piggy bank ya distroy two drive tires or the engine takes a dump or the clutch goes out or it needs a brake job or the transmission goes out or the rear end blows out on the road . Lets see here back in the day when a guy could spend 45000 on a new tractor and 18-22000 on a new dump trailer and 1800 bucks a year on ins. it took $1.14.9 a mile to pay for the truck before you put one penny in you pocket .Now this was when fuel was under .50 cents a gallon . Now today a new truck will set ya back lets just say 115-120000 a new trailer from 25-50000 fuel is on places over 4 bucks a gallon ins. is over 6000 a year plates taxes tire are three and a half times higher and freight rates are still in the dark ages . . IF the freight rates go up to be inline with todays prices then you will not be able to put clothes on your back and you will not be able to put food on the tables. The middle class working slob days are on the way out it will come down to the super rich and the poor and homeless . Just look around as to the job market , look at the peopl that have lost there homes , yes manygot sucked into homes that they could not afford but some shister made them believe that oh yea you can afford this home . But what about the guy that lost his job and has not been able to find a job . Just on my little pin head on the map and on my street alone with old homes nothing fancy here there are 8 repoed homes and five for sales . Also the unemployment figures don't show the BIG picture that the new media or the gov. tells ya as once your benifits run out you are not counted anymore and you just fall off the numbers chart. Around me there are five of us that are not working that are just next door or across the street and this is not counting the new dead beats that just moved in across the street that are living off your money that make the once a day trec down the street to get a 30 pac. But lets get back to the trucking as to the owner operators In this are that was once strong in it it is gone . Lets see here the EPA comes in and tells the strip mines that you can't mine the coal because it is high sulfur they tell the steel ind. to clean up ther act ( thats a good thing ) Ok lets just shut it down and lets bring it in from over seas That solved the pol.problem and the mess of strip mining But what about all the guys that made a living from the mines and mills and all of us slobs that made a living hauling . Do i have all the answers heck no if i did i would fix the problem like i can fix what i work on .

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Jiles

04-01-2008 07:07:27

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

Most of us remember that in the early 70s, Truckers and Farmers protested with their BIG rigs in Washington. They asked Organized labor and everyone to join them and shut this country down for a few days. We didn't!! Wonder where we would be now if we had????

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Ducknose Bob

04-01-2008 07:06:01

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

A lot of fuel could be saved, along with less wear and tear, and congestion on the highways, if a law was passed, mandating that the railroads be used to transport all goods to the nearest rail terminal to its final destination.
Less pollution, and much safer highways given that these truck driving school graduates were taken off the highways.

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tlak

04-01-2008 16:02:54

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Ducknose Bob, 04-01-2008 07:06:01

I don't think the rails can handle it. I live between a rail and an interstate and the traffic is continuous on both. Rail has been having some advertisements telling their fuel mileage,don't remember, but it was something like 10-30 mpg instead of what you would expect, 10 gals to the mile.

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bva

04-01-2008 15:13:53

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Ducknose Bob, 04-01-2008 07:06:01

the only way rail transport stays alive today is to continue to be financed thru road user tax. One of the most inefficent outfits today. Serves very few and paid for by all.

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colekicker

04-01-2008 11:00:35

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Ducknose Bob, 04-01-2008 07:06:01

Well, trains burn diesel too!! Plus, you'd have to handle the freight again. Think that wouldn't cost more? The railroad is making money already, let the little guy have a shot. Government regulations got us into this mess.
The whole thing is diesel prices. Now matter how you figure it out, fertilizer, chemicals, seed, farm fuel has all gone up. Diesel prices are going to hit everyone hard. The common consumer is going to pay to get the product to the shelf to buy it and they are going to pay with the increased input cost for the initial production. The government needs to step in and do something about DIESEL PRICES. They effect everything we use, even gasoline, because it is hauled with diesel.

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Old Roy agiin

04-01-2008 09:04:40

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Ducknose Bob, 04-01-2008 07:06:01

I can some what agree about school trained drivers.They should learn like I did before DOT cops.2 stickers [5 speed,with a 4 speed aux] for those that never heard of a quadraplex transmission.] --- They didn't usually have brakes ,If you were lucky. 2 wheels out of 8 may slow you down. God better be helping if you missed a gear loaded climbing a hill,cause you were going for an unexpected ride backwards.--The best part,you were told by your boss you would drive it that way,or somebody else would--I am glad for these regulations that DOT Came up with on safty issues.Wether it be,creeper or paper cop.wether I got fined or not, [fines were mostly against co truck] My last words to him was. {For whatever its worth I'm one driver thats glad you guys are out here]---As far as fuel prices go we all know our tanks, plains, trucks need the fuel over seas.I dont think we should be pulling into their service stations to fill up.Therefor is the reason the gov't refines it here and sends it back over.Thats why I think prices of fuel is so much higher than gas.--I don't agree with the system.--I guess that is why we have a chance to change it coming up election.

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thurlow

04-01-2008 08:16:16

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Ducknose Bob, 04-01-2008 07:06:01

I'll sign on; more laws are always good. :(

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Jerry Cent Mi

04-01-2008 06:02:40

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

I for one would like to know how much profit is involved. If oil is like food profit is added at every step along the way to the user. We need to know more about the actual cost.

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Andy Moncman

04-01-2008 05:53:22

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

The problem is not the trucker's or the oil companies', it's with the people we are asking to
fix the problem (Congress) yet they take no blame themselves. They are questioning Big Oil today on their profits, but most of us and those in congress have stock in these oil companies in some form and ask the oil companies to make a profit to increase the value of our stock. Maybe Congress should get out of the way of capitalism and the problem would fix itself.

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tlak

04-01-2008 07:08:01

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Andy Moncman, 04-01-2008 05:53:22

"Congress should get out of the way of capitalism and the problem would fix itself."
Aw yes, let it go where it may, like the fine job of letting the deregulation of electricity take its own course.
I would bet less than 25% of the country is invested in oil. How much money do you have to have invested to offset the cost of fuel and who has that amount?

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Andy Moncman

04-01-2008 10:49:47

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to tlak, 04-01-2008 07:08:01

If you have 401K, mutual fund, Life insurance, savings account or any investment it will have some link to the oil companies. The problem is will the Congress and the EPA "economic prohibition agency"
stopping the harvesting of our resources. Deregulation of a public utilities will work in most cases look at your cell phone bill and see how competition keeps the cost down, now look at your land line bill one company own the infrastructure that you are paying for another provide the service and another maintain the equipment, all collecting a piece of the pie (no competition) the same is true for the electric company.

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tlak

04-01-2008 15:08:39

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Andy Moncman, 04-01-2008 10:49:47

Oil is deregulated, speculators set the price based on a chicken little scenario. One guy even wanted to be the first to hold $100 a barrel oil, so he speculated it up. I don't think a small piece of the pie investing in oil is offsetting the huge increase in fuels, foods, services, etc, caused by the increase in fuel costs. Most states that deregulated their electricity, screewed themselves.

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Andy Moncman

04-01-2008 17:30:47

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to tlak, 04-01-2008 15:08:39

So your answer is to have the Congress regulate the price of full like the USSR did, then the supply would be plentiful as long aa the government allows you to buy it.

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tlak

04-02-2008 04:06:47

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Andy Moncman, 04-01-2008 17:30:47

Shouldn't of never been deregulated. It's not a product that you have a choice where, from who, or much you buy. If it was regulated with increases every year since the fifties we and the economy would have adjusted, even if it was $5 a gallon, but to suddenly shoot up from .99 a couple years ago to over $3 a gallon is ridiculous.

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philo-mm

04-01-2008 04:35:32

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-01-2008 04:28:38

It still amazes me though that people would rather complain than do something about it. I see it every day people backed out into the road waiting to get through the McDonalds drive through all running or sitting in the parking lot talking on their cell phone with their car running. I don't pay much attention other than to say that most people can off set a big part of the increase by being a little wiser about their everday choices.

Ryan

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RayP(MI)

04-01-2008 05:02:21

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Re: Truckers striking - its on the news in reply to philo-mm, 04-01-2008 04:35:32

Well, I can understand their pain. I don't expect that any "strike" is going to make any difference in the long run. That just doesn't happen. As far as me and my family making smarter choices in the marketplace, we've cut back on our quality of life very heavily, long ago. Every purchase, every mile is carefully considered. There's precious little we can do to cut expenses much more. The economy has been bearing us for quite a while - and lately it has been beating us big-time. There's no slack in our budget.

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RayP(MI)

04-01-2008 05:02:17

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davpal

04-01-2008 09:25:31

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More like wasting their time.... in reply to RayP(MI), 04-01-2008 05:02:17

Problem with the old USA is that we have had it very good for about 60 years. That is not a bad thing. We were like a basketball team where the other team forefitted the game every time. We always won and we haven't had to try very hard. Even the worst job in this country can buy you a better life than almost anywhere else on the planet. Even a crappy job in our eyes could buy a car, get some cheap gas, food, and a place to live. Now that we have some worldwide competition for livelyhood and resources the game is not as easy to win anymore. Other teams are playing and they are hungry and ambitous and are beating us, plain and simple. We are overindulged and overweight in this country and cant work ourselves out of a wet paper sack anymore. If look in any asian or mexican factory the people are all dutifully doing their jobs very focused. Walk through american factories and people are leaning around, talking,talking,talking. Management out having lunches, people wasting the companies money, lots of overweight incompatent workers. Guys walking around hounding the female co-workers. That is what america is turning into. A big overweight, overpaid joke. These other countries are hungry, lean and focused to kick our butts. Striking truckers will accomplish nothing. High prices will weed out the people who are operating on a slim margin and the bigger companies that can do it will pick up the slack. That is the way it is and always has been. Just like the Wal-Mart putting the mom and pops out of business. Better work for Wal-Mart. That is where mom and pop end up working. Our other option is to go to any other country and live in a dirt hut eating mud cookies!

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