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resistor on 12 volt system

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tractormiallis

04-04-2008 20:30:50




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Bought a WD45 AC with a 12 volt conversion. Being it is 12 volt, it should have a resistor on the coil. It runs fine as it is without it, but I am not into all the electrical yet, so I dont know what all could happen. I dont think the coil is a 12 volt coil. Being it is 12 volt, it needs a resistor on the coil, right?




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Kentb of SWMO

04-05-2008 09:42:40




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
12 volt coil are available in TWO type. One for use with an external resistor and one with a built in resistor. I like to use the one with the external resistor so you can bypass during cranking.

Kent



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john in la

04-05-2008 09:41:15




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
To answer your question you need to know that they make several differant types of coils. If you have a 12v coil that has the resistor built into the coil can from extra wire windings then NO you do not need a external resistor. But on the other hand if your coil does not have a built in resistor then you have to have a external resistor in the wire going to the coil in a 12v system.

Look at your coil. See if you can still read the writing on the side of the can. It should say if a resistor is needed or not.
May say one of the following..... ..
12v no external resistor required
12v external resistor required

As mentioned by another poster NAPA sells a 12v coil that can be wired straight to 12v's. The resistor is built into the can. Local store sells them for $16.99.
For this amount of money I would just buy it for the piece of mind of knowing I have the correct part installed.

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John T

04-05-2008 07:32:59




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
Tractor, I agree with most below (not sure about Jims coil ohms values??) so will just take your specific questions:

Q I dont know what all could happen.

A If its a 12 volt tractor and you use ONLY a 6 volt coil with no external series voltage dropping (12 to 6) Ballast Resistor, it will run fine for a while buttttt t the coil may get so hot you cant hold your hand on it and/or the points will burn up prematurely.

Q I dont think the coil is a 12 volt coil. Being it is 12 volt, it needs a resistor on the coil, right?

A RIGHT otherwise see the above

Theres so many different coils out there but my general best guess answer is to measure the coils primary ohms resistance between its lil + and - terminals with a good ohm meter on the low R x 1 scale and if its around 1.25 to 2 ohms its a 6 volt coil but if more like 2.5 to 3.5 ohms its a 12 volt coil or else as posted below if it smells hot after some time or you cant touch it, probably a 6 volt coil (needs external ballast)

John T

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Bob M

04-05-2008 09:28:07




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to John T, 04-05-2008 07:32:59  
Hey John T - here's a first hand experience on feeding a 6 volt coil 12 volts:

I had the ballast resistor fail (went open) on my 12 volt converted Super M last December. As we desperately needed the tractor I jumpered across the resistor so the coil was on 12 volts. The tractor started right up

After a few minutes of running the coil was so hot it could not be touched. But it continued to run like this continuously for 8 hours. Afterward I opened the distributor and found the points nearly completely burned up. However the 12 volt diet seemed not to have damaged the coil.

That evening I installed a new resistor and points - the tractor's been running fine ever since.

...Bob M

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El Toro

04-05-2008 04:22:20




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
Napa has a 12 volt coil with a built in ballast resistor for about $18.00. P/N IC14SB Hal



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Jerry/MT

04-04-2008 21:26:08




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
If you have a 6 volt coil than you need a resistor to limit the current @ 12V to 4amps max. that means the total resisitance in the primary circuit has to be 3 ohms. if you have an ohmeter, you can measure the coil reistance. If it"s ~1.5 ohms, you have a 6 volt coil. If it"s ~3 ohms , it"s a 12V coil.



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old

04-04-2008 21:08:50




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
Another way to check to see if its a 12 volt coil would be to put in a resister. If it then runs like crap then you probably have a 12 volt coil



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Janicholson

04-04-2008 20:57:14




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
A pretty simple way is to feel the coil after running it for a half hour. if you can still put your hand on it,it is probably OK.
Some coils are not marked. Another way is to check the ohms across the two small leads. A 6v will be about 3 to four ohms, a 12v will be more like 6 ohms. JimN



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IH2444

04-04-2008 20:47:06




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 Re: resistor on 12 volt system in reply to tractormiallis, 04-04-2008 20:30:50  
If the coil is a 12v coul it does not need a resistor.


One way to check, hook a voltmeter set to read 12 Volts DC to the batt in terminal on the coil. If it reads 12 V then close the points or ground the lead going to the points. If the voltage on the input side of the coil drops to about 6 colts then there is a resistor somewhere between the input of the coil and the 12V supply. If it does not drop from 12V to about 6 volts with the other side of the coil grounded and you do not have a 12 volt coil you need to get one. simplest way is to just find a 12V coil at napa and put it in there.

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