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duals = lower efficiency?

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jason, NW Ontar

04-18-2008 06:08:01




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Does a set of duals reduce your fuel efficiency? I saw a big Deere on a potato farm last evening with triples on each side. I'm thinking that would be a real pig on fuel.

Jason




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JoeBob/IN

04-18-2008 19:32:26




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
Depends like others have said. Studies show that in tilled ground duals can burn more fuel. Now, what was compared was a mfwd tractor with and without duals... same tractor just dropped the duals. This is assuming the tractor is large enough and weighted correctly yada yada yada. Without duals there is basically only 1 set of tire tracks. The fronts compact most of the track for the rears and that is what takes the most power/fuel. Drive your truck across a freshly worked field then drive back in the same tracks and you will easily be able to tell the difference. Anyways, with the rears running in the compacted area you only have to compact one set but with duals you have to compact the first set and an additional set. So, it depends and I don't remember how much it saved running without the duals but in theory that is how it went!

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IH2444

04-18-2008 10:34:08




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
The more rubber that meets the road le lower the fuel mileage. But then for big stuff you need more rubber meeting the road as well.

For for the same vehicle with narrow or wide tires, singles or duals, which one will get the best mileage ?



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02XLT4X4

04-18-2008 10:56:53




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to IH2444, 04-18-2008 10:34:08  

IH2444 said: (quoted from post at 10:34:08 04/18/08) For for the same vehicle with narrow or wide tires, singles or duals, which one will get the best mileage ?


Narrower of course, if they are not slipping. Slippage is wasted milage in the worst way. If your slipage is 50% (you go 1/2 the circumferance of your tires per rev) then you are cutting your milage in half.

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paul

04-18-2008 10:56:55




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to IH2444, 04-18-2008 10:34:08  
Vehicle, or tractor? Very different things, very different needs.

Best fuel efficiency on a vehicle would be bicycle tires inflated to rock hard. Wouldn't do much for practical use, but it would be most efficient. (Note the high-milage races, they all have bike tires of some sort.)

For hauling - trucks - you need a tire that can handle the load. The big singles are more efficent that duals used to be, so we see more new trucks with the large singles. Bicycle tires just wouldn't do much for a truck....

A tractor or other heavy pulling unit - it's all about traction, controling the wheelspin. Get the wheelspin low enough to be very efficient. The most efficient traveling tractor is the one with the proper wheelspin.

Duals, triples, or I've even seen quads, will control the wheelspin & improve the efficiency - but it all has to 'make sense' and be matched to the dirt & the load you are pulling & the weight of the tractor.

Driving down the road from one field to the next, a tractor is not efficient in any shape or form, so the number of wheels has about zero effect on efficiency of just traveling down the road. :)

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paul

04-18-2008 10:24:21




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
Not at all, you need to get the power to the dirt - duals or triples mean less slippage, so you increase the number of acres covered per amount of fuel.

This assumes the proper balance, weight, and tractoion matched to the tractor hp & operation you are doing. It is quite a science getting it all set up right to match the soil, implement, & tractor traction to each other on the big rigs.

Often the duals or triples also help with soil compaction as mentioned.

--->Paul

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F-350

04-18-2008 10:16:02




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
Duals increase fuel efficiency.



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buickanddeere

04-18-2008 08:32:22




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
Depends on the soil, weight, speed and draft load.



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bradk

04-18-2008 06:30:31




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
Yep,in most cases,you'll end up at the other end of the field faster with duals.

Soil compaction is the other big factor in using duals or triples.Things don't grow on packed down soil.



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Fordfarmer

04-18-2008 06:25:40




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
There's also compaction to think about... How heavy are those big tractors that run triples? Duals (or triples) INCREASE fuel efficiency if they reduce slippage, and, although I don't have any numbers to back this up, I bet they increase efficiencey when working on soft ground, even if you aren't slipping much - for instance, when disking plowed ground. The tractor stays on top, rather than sinking in and constantly trying to 'climb' out of it's tracks.

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IaGary

04-18-2008 06:19:36




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
If you are pulling a tractor hard and doing a bunch of spinning and put duals on to get better traction they may increase your efficiency.

They only times they would hurt would be when you are on solid footing and the duals are just along for the ride. The extra wieght would take more fuel to move.

Gary



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Bob

04-18-2008 06:18:16




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 Re: duals = lower efficiency? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 04-18-2008 06:08:01  
On the other hand, slippage eats fuel!



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