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billonthefarm

04-22-2008 05:12:22




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Its april 22 and still no planting in the area. This is our planting window. It would be ideal to be done before may 1. We are about two days away from getting into the field and the rain is about two hours west and bearing down on us. I rode the 4 wheeler out onto a 160 that we have a local contractor putting in some field tile to takes some pictures. It is too wet to do it but the decision was made to keep going and get it done. I just missed getting pictures of the machine in some deep mud where he had to use the winch to keep going. It isnt very pretty in some places but should make a big difference. I took these pics in some better going about 5 last night. bill

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buickanddeere

04-23-2008 07:36:18




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 Re: still to wet in reply to billonthefarm, 04-22-2008 05:12:22  
Seems odd they are using a wheel machine in stead of ploughing in the 4" or 6" plastic? We only used the wheel machine for the 8" and larger mains.



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TylerARK

04-22-2008 10:18:50




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 Re: still to wet in reply to billonthefarm, 04-22-2008 05:12:22  
Just curious, Why isnt more of the ground precision leveled instead of laying tile ? With 3 to 5 feet of topsoil it should be easy. Much of the ground around here is precision leveled and we only have between 6 to 10 Inches of topsoil.
Tyler



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730 virgil

04-22-2008 15:47:58




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 Re: still to wet in reply to TylerARK, 04-22-2008 10:18:50  
where i live in northwest il there are to many hills to do laser leveling. we have wet areas that need draining so the ground can be farmed. we are wet enough here it doesn't take much rain to shut everything down. we had some rain before 10 am today. i haven't seem anything moving as far as tractors are concerned. on the other hand i hope leroy's hay baler works good as i will need it. now that we have some warmer weather the grass is growing like gangbusters.

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dhermesc

04-22-2008 14:16:24




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 Re: still to wet in reply to TylerARK, 04-22-2008 10:18:50  
"Just curious, Why isnt more of the ground precision leveled instead of laying tile ?"


Cost. You are talking about moving thousands of cubic yards of earth instead of a small trench and some plastic pipe.



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flying belgian

04-22-2008 08:14:59




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 Re: still to wet in reply to billonthefarm, 04-22-2008 05:12:22  
I did get the wheat planted on sat and sun. A little to wet to my liking but it is time to get it in so I went. It turned out nice in the end and as odd as it sounds to you guys I would like a 1/2" of rain on it now. sorry. So. central Mn.



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Larry59

04-22-2008 06:46:46




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 What are field tiles???? in reply to billonthefarm, 04-22-2008 05:12:22  
What are the field tiles ? What purpose do they do in the field? ... Nice pics and as for rain. Rain after midnight here in mid Missouri. Rain thunder and lots of lighting? My two small dogs run for our bed and jumped in. Got under the blankets from all the thunder. lol



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J Schwiebert

04-22-2008 18:31:57




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 Re: What are field tiles???? in reply to Larry59, 04-22-2008 06:46:46  
Larry: I live in Northwest Ohio which is a part of this great black swamp. It has to have tile. When my grandparents started to clear the land in the 180's the first tile were pieces of slab wood from the sawmills. Dig down the depth of two shovels. Make the trench for the top shovel wider and put a piece of slab wood there, then cover it back up. The water would collect and run in the trench below the slab wood. Spacing on tile here has gotten as close as every 30 feet, 2 rods or 35 feet. This land is very flat. Some of these farms do not vary more than a foot in elevation for a half mile. We have a little over a 100 foot difference from the high part of the county which on a ridge and was the boundry of Lake Erie years ago down to where the river leaves the county 20 miles away.

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higgins

04-22-2008 13:43:18




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 Re: What are field tiles???? in reply to Larry59, 04-22-2008 06:46:46  
Field tiles drain off excess water down to about 4 feet and allow the ground to be worked 3-4 weeks earlier in the spring in the midwest. They are shallow enough to not draw out of the normal water table which can then be utilized by plants especially during drought periods. I am talking about glacial till which can be tens of feet deep over much of the midwest. The swampy areas like the corner of Ohio, Indiana and Michigan is really flat and especially needs tile to drain.

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buickanddeere

04-22-2008 08:28:30




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to Larry59, 04-22-2008 06:46:46  
Tile drains cause flooding in the watershed. They flow water from spring melt and rains in hours what would normally seep into creeks and rivers over weeks. Then people cry about record level floods and then wail about dry creeks and rivers during the summer when they used to flow all year around.



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Too Far Gone

04-22-2008 22:15:14




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to buickanddeere, 04-22-2008 08:28:30  
Around here if we didnt have terraces with let down tiles the water would reach the streams a hell of a lot quicker than letting it go on top with no obstructions.Also We utilize structures with plenty of freeboard,and good letdown pipes in case of overflow.



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cornfarmer

04-22-2008 20:12:09




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to buickanddeere, 04-22-2008 08:28:30  
Spring melt occurs when the ground is frozen, meaning surface water cannot reach a tile. Everyplace I have farmed (including bottom ground) flooded, peaked, and started back down before water could reasonably be expected to percolate thru the soil-i.e., surface runoff causes point-source flooding. Never heard of tiles causing flooding.A few 4, 6, or 8" tiles per field?-figure the flow rate. Blaming tiles for flooding is like blaming empty beer bottles for drunken driving.

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BOBM25

04-22-2008 08:48:10




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to buickanddeere, 04-22-2008 08:28:30  
These same tile drains that cause flooding in the watershed are the things that make NW Ohio, SE Michigan and NE Indiana inhabitable. If it weren't for soil drainage a large part of the most productive farm land in the nation would be swamps. Properly installed field drainage tile puts food (cheap food) on your plate. 3 meals a day. It helps boost agriculture, which right now is the best thing this country has going for it. Don't think for a minute that they didn't have floods or droughts before the days of field tile.

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dhermesc

04-22-2008 14:21:38




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to BOBM25, 04-22-2008 08:48:10  
"These same tile drains that cause flooding in the watershed are the things that make NW Ohio, SE Michigan and NE Indiana inhabitable"


So what you're saying is - don't build your house in a flood plain and you won't get flooded by water run off? Sounds pretty simple.

Maybe the same logic could tell them not build a coastal city below sea level like New Orleans.



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buickanddeere

04-22-2008 11:15:13




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to BOBM25, 04-22-2008 08:48:10  
The floods were lower and the water table/creek/river levels stayed higher. The US needs more water added to farm land then it needs water drained off farm land.



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garytomaszewski

04-22-2008 13:53:29




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to buickanddeere, 04-22-2008 11:15:13  
Only a question, bnd, what's your opinion of irrigation on land that wouldn't grow a crop without it ?



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buickanddeere

04-22-2008 17:25:50




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 Re: What are field tiles??? more trouble in reply to garytomaszewski, 04-22-2008 13:53:29  
I don't see a problem with irrigation as long as the soil doesn't get "salted" out.



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Bill in IL

04-22-2008 07:15:30




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 Re: What are field tiles???? in reply to Larry59, 04-22-2008 06:46:46  
They are drains for your field and they act as a wick to get the moisture out. We have fields that we can plan a month earlier due to having tiled them. You lay black flexible perforated pipe in the field with a backhoe or tile plow. Allows the water that would normally lay there to seep into the pipe and run to an outlet at the end of the feild. The idea is to lay it as deep as you can 3-5' but stay on top of the blue clay.

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Mathias NY

04-22-2008 08:23:25




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 Re: What are field tiles???? in reply to Bill in IL, 04-22-2008 07:15:30  
Long before the black plastic pipe was available short pieces of clay pipe, also known as tiles, were used to drain water from fields. They were generally less than 1' long and were larger at one end so that it would fit over the previous tile. Ground water would seep through the gaps and be channeled to the nearest ditch. The black pipe has made drainage much more affordable.



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the tractor vet

04-22-2008 06:07:38




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 Re: still to wet in reply to billonthefarm, 04-22-2008 05:12:22  
It's still to wet over here to get much done on top of some of the hills some dirt has been turned . To wet to clean the barn . We did pick the first of the 2008 rock crop off the barley field friday and darn near hung the skid steer and put on some grass seed with the neighbors 4 wheeler and it made track in places. There are places that we could use that ditcher or even the back hoe .



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IaGary

04-22-2008 05:36:01




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 Re: still to wet in reply to billonthefarm, 04-22-2008 05:12:22  
Yup it"s getting to that point. If the machine can run I would let them go to.

We are still wet in Eastern Iowa. No one has done anything yet.

And it is raining again right now. Where are you at Bill.

Gary



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billonthefarm

04-22-2008 20:01:24




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 Re: still to wet in reply to IaGary, 04-22-2008 05:36:01  
I am very close to Farmington Il right on the Fulton and Peoria county line. We got about 3/4 of an inch of rain today. No field work for a a few more days. bill



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Animal

04-22-2008 06:05:57




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 Re: still to wet in reply to IaGary, 04-22-2008 05:36:01  
I thought I could go today in one of my fields, but with an inch of rain last night, I am back into pacing mode. I am going to do some drain tile on my place this year, where is the best place to buy the tile?



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IaGary

04-22-2008 06:09:00




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 Re: still to wet in reply to Animal, 04-22-2008 06:05:57  
ADS tile is about the best.

Don't know where you are located but they have an outlet by Tiffin Iowa. Its right next to I80.

Gary



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