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Big G

04-23-2008 19:21:44




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My 12 year old is wanting a 20 ga. shotgun for his birthday for shooting clays, not for hunting. He's in shooting sports in 4H and has had a lot of fun with it and we want to shoot at home. Any comments on what brand and model?




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Leland

04-24-2008 21:13:47




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
buy him a gun that will last thru his grand children get him a remington 1187 great gun and simple



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Trapper Boy in IN

04-24-2008 16:51:06




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
I really like my Ithaca model 37 feather light. I have that model in both 12 and 20 gauges and like them both.



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RayP(MI)

04-24-2008 16:34:23




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
I'm a 4-H shooting sports leader. In our training I used a 870 20ga, synthetic stock. Great to shoot. Couldn't hit anything, but that's a different discussion.



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Ken L

04-24-2008 16:29:10




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
The Mossberg is an excellent gun. I've have a 500 for over twenty five years. A couple years ago I decided to get an o/u but didn't want to spend a lot. I bought a Stoeger for $325 new. The guys laughed at me until they saw my scores and then used it themselves. Excellent gun for the price.



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02XLT4X4

04-24-2008 12:20:17




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
My first gun was a youth 20ga Mossberg 500 pump. It does its job with no complaints. I have shot clays with it for fun and it did pretty good for the short barrel it has and the rookie operater.

Now I mainly use it for deer hunting. Funny how what felt so good in the store 10 years ago still feels great now that I am 6'-3" tall with 2-3" of coats/sweaters on in the dead of winter, it puts it back where it would be if I was wearing a t shirt with a full size stock. I have tried other guns but they just don't feel like "home"

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dittmerku

04-24-2008 11:10:09




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Hands down, the 870 express is the best for a young guy.



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dellwoodbu

04-24-2008 10:33:10




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Used to shoot clays once in a while. Lots of good stuff listed here but many miss the target so to speak. For clays most serious shooters use either over/under or semi-auto. The 870 oft listed is a pump if I am not mistaken, much slower on the 2nd shot plus the pumping action throws off the aim more recover time before gun and eyes are back on target. O/U are typically much more expensive $1000+ but guys that can afford it generally go that way. Two choke choices (get changeable chokes) an advantage on some courses. Semi-auto runs cheaper but good ones, beretta, browning on the higher end probably $500+. Remington, Win not bad middle choices. Mossberg (if they make a semi-auto) value end (still good function). Also recommend looking at and trying a 12ga. clays use light loads, semi-auto will help with recoil also. If not now in a few years he will wish he had manned up for the bigger gun. Go to trade shows and find a used higher end model if price is an issue. Most guns last forever unless someone uses them for thousands of rounds, most hunters shoot a few dozen rounds/year.

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Pete76NY

04-24-2008 08:31:50




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Lotsa great guns listed here, but a Remington 870 is awfully hard to beat!



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Brian in MI

04-24-2008 08:09:22




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
I would recomend a Mossberg. I have used my Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag, and my Browning A-500 to shoot clays and the Mossberg almost never misses. Like others have said I would recomend a 12 ga with light loads. As he grows the 12 ga will be more versitile for him. Just my suggestion



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Goose

04-24-2008 07:15:01




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Like several others said, Mossberg pumps are hard to beat for the money.

BTW, I've seen my wife bust blue rocks with a .410. One of the reasons I behave myself.



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the tractor vet

04-24-2008 05:43:47




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Been carrying a double barrel 12 Ithaca since i was 13 was given to me by my gradfather best shotgun i have . Has a full and mod. choke and probably the main reason there are no pheasant around here anymore as when we did it never missed . Now today you could not believe what that gun is worthe. Still take it out hunting and last fall even did some clay shooting with it .



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buickanddeere

04-24-2008 05:31:39




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
12 gauge. As previously stated it's far more flexible.
Hard to beat those Savage combo's. Either in .22/shotgun or .223/shotgun.
Single shot will make him a better shot instead of spray & pray.



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1936

04-24-2008 05:23:26




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Hunter safety course is a good starting point.



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Mike M

04-24-2008 04:26:12




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
I have a Ruger Red Label 12 ga. and like it very well. So I bought a 20 ga. and that thing kicked worse than the 12 ga. so I got rid of it ! You just may be better off with a 12 ga. with the light loads.



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Dave from MN

04-24-2008 03:43:21




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Mossberg are tough . Winchester make a "upland special" shotgun that is very balanced and light. That would be the one I would get if I wanted one.



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ispud

04-23-2008 23:18:09




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Well for the money a mossburg is hard to beat.



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2x4

04-23-2008 22:56:54




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Savage over/under. .223 on top, .20 ga. bottom. He can use it in later years for everything & pass it on to his kid.



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old

04-23-2008 21:05:17




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Been there before. For the money its hard to beat a good old H&R single shoot. Got one for my son years ago and he has killed turkey with it shoot clays and even deer. Cost was around $120 at that time but probably more like $200 now days. Also another nice thing about the H&R is you can buy other barrels to fit it if down the road he wants bigger shot gun or even a single shot rifle

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old

04-23-2008 21:04:11




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Been there before. For the money its hard to beat a good old H&R single shoot. Got one for my son years ago and he has killed turkey with it shoot clays and even deer. Cost was around $120 at that time but probably more like $200 now days.



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36 coupe

04-24-2008 01:43:28




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to old, 04-23-2008 21:04:11  
NEF single shot guns are still selling for 100.00.I have a 20 gauge youth model.22 inch barrel modified choke.Light to carry.I have several shot guns but the 20 gauge single shot is my favorite.Got my fall turkey with a Stevens 94 single 12 gauge my wife gave me for my birthday 48 years ago.No high priced gear, calls or gun.



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dhermesc

04-24-2008 05:38:53




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to 36 coupe, 04-24-2008 01:43:28  
"NEF single shot guns are still selling for 100.00.I have a 20 gauge youth model.22 inch barrel modified choke.Light to carry."


Those things will kick the crap out of a 12 year old though - especially if he's going to be shooting clays with it.



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old

04-24-2008 08:00:45




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to dhermesc, 04-24-2008 05:38:53  
The 20 single shot my son has isn't bad at all as far as kick. Now the 12 gauge pump I had did knock my sone down the first year he turkey hunted and from then on it was his 20 because he didn't like being knocked down plus he just rolled the turkey and it got up an ran away from him



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dhermesc

04-24-2008 09:24:59




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to old, 04-24-2008 08:00:45  
Put 50 or 100 rounds (clays remember) though a NEF single shot in an afternoon and see how your shoulder feels. You won't want to do it again for a week or two. Lot differant than shooting 3 or 4 rounds. Been there done that.



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36 coupe

04-24-2008 14:35:53




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to dhermesc, 04-24-2008 09:24:59  
Most of the Youth models have a rubber recoil pad.My gun does not have one and recoil is not bad.Clays can use light loads.I used to shoot a muzzle loading double 12 with 2 dram eq light loads and 1/2 oz of shot.Dosent take much to break a clay.There are plenty of light loads for the 20 gauge.



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dave guest

04-23-2008 20:47:30




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Got to say for a 12 year old, single shot for safety and training. Always upgrade. Favorite for anybody for any purpose is Winchester model 12. Old but not cheap. Probably 8-900 dollars in 20 gauge(pump). Bolt action used to be starter for kids, but becoming hard to find.



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toolz

04-23-2008 20:34:19




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
If you are talking about shooting clay birds in the back yard, anything he"s comfortable with will work. But if he"s serious about shooting sports, such as sporting clays, a pump just isn"t fast enough. A very few of my friends use automatics, but over-and-under is the only way to go. Light, fast, and nothing to break. I liked my Browning Citori so much that I bought my son one for his birthday. I just wish he had more time to shoot with me.

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rhouston

04-24-2008 09:12:53




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to toolz, 04-23-2008 20:34:19  
I have one of the Browning Citori over unders they are a nice gun.



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utupuller

04-23-2008 19:59:50




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
I have had my 870 express mag for 15 years now got it when I was 16, I love it. When I was 17 I bought a winchester 16 ga for pheasant hunting from my buddy and that was a great gun for that. I sold it back to him a few months later after his dad past away. He had more attached to the gun than I did.



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Bruce Hopf

04-23-2008 19:41:45




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Remington makes 2 nice guns. I have used both a Wing master full choke without the vent ribbed barrel, and have an 870 Express with a smooth bore slug barrel, for deer hunting, both in a 12 gauge. Both guns where sturdily built. Nice to handle. A wide variety of barrels you can get for different types of shooting, and hunting. 20 gauge is nice, but a 16 gauge is even nicer. For a slug gun, a 16 gauge for accuracy, you can't beat. Hope this helps, and tell your son good luck, and to be very,very, safe. Once that trigger has been pulled, you never can take it back. Talking from experience, when you have a fatal accident, it never ever leaves you. Mine was with a transport truck I was driving, and a car came through a stop sign, killing a teenager. Happened 13 years ago, but it will never leave me. Don't wish that on any body.
Bruce.

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NE IA

04-23-2008 19:39:07




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
870 is good all around, and I'm not big into spending lots of money for a childs gun. Therefore I purchased 12 guages for my three boys as they grew up. I purchased a shell reloader, and we had more fun with that than we did shooting clays. We loaded small loads and added powder to loads till they got up to full speed. I borrowed a short stock from a friend so they could start out with a short stock, and then grow into the original one. I feel this is probably cheaper than purchaasing the youth model then someday a full sized one. It seems kind of important to take out their first gun when they got older. You can load loads with less pop than a 410 if you like till he gets to feel comfortable with the kick back.

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David Maddux

04-23-2008 19:34:55




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
If money is not an object, get him a Benelli. I got one after multiple shoulder surgerys. Real light, and no kick. Few moving parts. They are almost fool proof. Probably now around 1000.00 to 1200.00.



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Bryan in iowa

04-24-2008 05:44:33




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to David Maddux, 04-23-2008 19:34:55  
Bennelli Super Black Eagle ll camo $1499.00 Black $1399.00 Just put black one on layaway this week .. Awsome gun . Lil pricey for beginners gun , I'd go with a remington 870 12,0r 20 youth model . He'll treasure it forever. He'll outgrow it eventually ,,but then,,thats an excuse to buy another gun



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Nedd

04-23-2008 19:27:13




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Big G, 04-23-2008 19:21:44  
Youth remington 870. Have one and it is very nice and is easy to upgrade to longer barrel later in life. Teaching them safety along with a fun sport is key. Just my 2 cents.



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GI FARMER

04-24-2008 06:38:22




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 Re: Shotgun in reply to Nedd, 04-23-2008 19:27:13  
nedd
it's not just the barrel but the stock is shorter. MY2 cents I have 3 boys 2 grown i to go and I bought them all a REM. 870 20 ga. for their first gun then later on a 12ga . I have shot more shells threw my old 870 than will fit in you pickup truck. Great gun very reliable and versital and will be around for years so you can get the SAME one years later. other son or maybe grandson?



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