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OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year

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John in Ct

05-13-2008 17:43:49




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I read in the paper that there was this young family, 2 kids, both work for the government, that is having a hard time on making $120,000/ year. They have house payments , student loans, credit cards and car loans. Don't know if they can start saving for kids college fund and want to both retire at 55 (at 1/2 pay for pension + SS). One will be getting a $4,000 raise and they hope to put in a $4,000 patio. They don't know if they can, but they might have to cut back spending on cloths, eating out, vacations. And I thought I was having a bad day.

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buickanddeere

05-15-2008 05:47:36




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
These are the parts that stick in my craw.
"credit cards and car loans. Don't know if they can start saving for kids college fund and want to both retire at 55 (at 1/2 pay for pension + SS)". "they hope to put in a $4,000 patio. They don't know if they can, but they might have to cut back spending on cloths, eating out, vacations".
They could clean up their act, bank $25,000 a year and not miss it.

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jose bagge

05-15-2008 03:47:13




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
i almost missed the biggest joke here: "both want to retire at 55" ...obvious government workers- ooops, government employees as damn little work gets done inside the beltway.

AsI am in the private sector, serving the gubmint "workers" that are supposed to be serving me, I expect to be working until I keel over- what's a pension?
IRA + SS = HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!



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dave2

05-14-2008 06:56:32




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
Hard to figure what's worse here. Some low rated publication putting out a story like this in the first place, or a bunch of grown men making idiots out of themselves by bashing someone that they fell has more than them.

Come on guys... This is the internet, the whole world can read this and it'll end up in another country's news as "the position of the American people".

Please don't take offense, just think about it.

Dave

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buickanddeere

05-14-2008 05:38:27




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
As previously stated. It does sound like a bad case of "status", interest payments, and no concept of "delayed gratification". I"m stunned at the people "starting out" expect to have the same home, vehicles, recreational equipment it took their parents 30 years to acquire. We both do okay working for the power utility. It does involves trades, technical skills and pages of qualifications. And no resemblance of a 9-5, Mon-Fri 40hr week. The work is off a mobile platform on the face of a nuclear reactor in a protective suit. Or in a rubber area, contamination tent etc. A good portion of the bucks comes from overtime on weekends and night shifts. While those gov"t workers have the weekend off or are sleeping. It still bugs me though. That 120,000 is not three times the cash in the pocket that a 40,000 income is. After taxes and deductions it"s twice the take home of a 40,000 income. As of last Thursday the pricks have taken $29,000 off this years paycheques. To pay for these gov"t "workers", welfare handouts, do gooder projects, political correctness and maybe 1/3 of those tax dollars into running real useable services. Now there is a feeling of frustration. Do what it takes to make the extra bucks. And then get penalized with a higher tax rate for your efforts. Do less, have more b*stard children and get a larger welfare cheque? The average person doesn"t know how make $$$. They think in order to get "rich" you have to steal, sue, inherit or win the lottery. Did the generations who worked so hard to build post WWII US/Canada end up spoiling their children. And we are reaping the effects now?

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James22

05-14-2008 10:36:28




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to buickanddeere, 05-14-2008 05:38:27  
Assumed that the 29K was roughly 35% of gross pay. Also assuming it was for 5 months, which would result in a rough yearly income of $198,000. If they are paying these wages and with the increase in energy costs, not surprised my utility bill has skyrocked.



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buickanddeere

05-14-2008 11:17:54




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to James22, 05-14-2008 10:36:28  
It will be less as the overtime is drying up for the rest of the year. You % is off a bit too for up here. Gotta choose the right profession instead of dropping out of highschool and working at the local mill. I don't see you volunteering to walk into the reactor vault for any price.



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James22

05-14-2008 13:33:04




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to buickanddeere, 05-14-2008 11:17:54  
Financially I don't need to volunteer, but I'm sure many currently serving in Iraq and Afiganistan are exposed to considerably more danger for a lot less money and would jump at the chance. That kind of money sure makes me wonder if spending five more years furthering my education was monetarily worth the sacrifice. Unfortunately in my opinion, utilities run on a cost plus basics and have less incentive to control costs. However that is life, and it is your gain and the utility consumer's loss.

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James22

05-14-2008 13:41:33




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to James22, 05-14-2008 13:33:04  
Try Afghanistan.



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buickanddeere

05-14-2008 14:43:40




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to James22, 05-14-2008 13:41:33  
How many of those armed forces personal signed up thinking of the benefits but never considered the chance they may someday be deployed and see real combat. It was the "easiest" way into more $$$ and benefits above working at the local mill. I didn"t hold a gun to their heads and make them sign up. These utility type of wages are the norm across the industry, oil fields etc. Growing up on a farm I decided that risk and poverty are way overrated. Better to listen to how great is to be poor in Country & Western music. Odd how somebody who makes 40,000 thinks that 80,000 is a sin. Yet people making 80,000 think that is normal and those making 160,000 are sinners. How about third world labour making less than $100 per week for working 60-90 hrs per week? Working 40hrs per week with some benefits. Health and safety coverage at work and making 35,000 in the US would seen like paradise to them. The $60,000 per spouse couple are going to have to learn or have money stress affect every part of their life. To much belief from the media that "you need everything to be happy".

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cj3b_jeep

05-14-2008 05:09:58




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
My sister and brother in law are kind of the same way, both chemical engineers with MBAs, make BIG money, spend it like crazy. $120,000? I'd live like I do now, save the balance and retire early.



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Tradititonal Farmer

05-14-2008 04:20:13




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
The key line is 'they both work for the gov't'
so obviously they know nothing about balancing a budget or living within their means.



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dhermesc

05-14-2008 05:35:19




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-14-2008 04:20:13  
"The key line is 'they both work for the gov't'
so obviously they know nothing about balancing a budget or living within their means."

With people like this in the government it explains the mess there too.



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jose bagge

05-14-2008 04:18:48




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
Two words for those folks; DAve Ramsey.
Financial Peace University (supported by our church) changed my family's life.

These folks probably have a 3k mortgage on a 600K home in the suburbs of some major city....two cars with car payments of $400 per...and probably send the kids to private schools because the city schools aren't good enough. Probably spend $50 a day on fast food dinners since mom's working, and probably running 30k in credit card debt. They're probably my brother and SIL

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ericlb

05-14-2008 04:16:12




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
typical of younger folks who think they have to have it all by the end of the first couple years,[ reminds me of my sister] their mistake [besides a very loose grip on reality] is they look over at fred and rita next door and all the things the have to play with, and they want them too and now! it never occures to them that fred and rita are in their 70's and it took them the last 50 years to get all those things, because fred always paid cash for them, or they look at the other neighbors who are younger, and just bought a new bass boat to go behind their 2 year old diesel pusher motor home,they have lots of fun, what they dont know is one of em's great great grandma bought stock in a major railroad in the 1870's and when the stocks were found in 1980 they were worth 3 million bucks now and they are the only living family left im lucky i dont have that problem because we live cheap, if i made that much money, and had a government job, that would mean i only had to work half the time of regular folks, and i dont know where i would park all the old tractors id be buying with all that left over money i would have

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El Toro

05-14-2008 03:58:29




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
They're going to be in for a rude awakening when they retire since they won't be out of debt. Those 2% raises retirees get won't cover the rate
of inflation that's happening now. They will probably have to work past age 55. Hal



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F-350

05-13-2008 23:12:17




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
In my area they would be lucky to make $50,000 per year if they both had decent jobs.Precious few families take in $100,000 per year here.We could live like kings on $120,000 per year.



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dave guest

05-13-2008 22:27:52




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
Like the old timers told me, live on your 40 hours, bank all your overtime. Take a good look before you let any money get away from you. If you don't need it, don't buy it and shoot all salesmen. When we used to vacation in Fla, all salesmen hated me. They would come to your motel and pretend they wanted to buy you a dinner and show you the town, no obligation. I called em liars and asked what I was expected to buy, they usually made tracks immediately.

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dave guest

05-13-2008 22:27:42




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
Like the old timers told me, live on your 40 hours, bank all your overtime. Take a good look before you let any money get away from you. If you don't need it, don't buy it and shoot all salesmen. When we used to vacation in Fla, all salesmen hated me. They would come to your motel and pretend they wanted to buy you a dinner and show you the town, no obligation. I called em liars and asked what I was expected to buy, they usually made tracks immediately.

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Damp;Dservice

05-13-2008 21:26:24




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
I dont even know what to say..... ..... ..... ..... ..... .. I know, would you believe that over 60% of The american population is struggling with that kind of income or higher? What the he!! is happening to this country, some of you have it nailed, when the sh!t hits the fan the rest of us will be paying to clean it up. Somebody is gonna get stinkin rich of the deal and It wont be us. Think I will just dig a hole and crawl in now.

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Spook

05-13-2008 22:55:00




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to Damp;Dservice, 05-13-2008 21:26:24  
Not to be rude, but I think the median income for the US, family of 4 is more like 50k or less. The average is maybe higher, but the median is 50% above and 50% below. And that 50k is usually with 2 people working.



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onefarmer

05-13-2008 21:14:15




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
I hope they get that patio built quick! If I don't find a job soon I may need to move into it.



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Jiles

05-13-2008 20:30:14




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
People that fit this description are everywhere. They live from paycheck to paycheck. If they want something, they get it. I was taught to satisfy needs before desires!



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ScottyHOMEy

05-13-2008 19:36:48




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
Muuusstt nooottt coommeennttt!

Okay, that didn't work.

Trying not to puke. Folks like that are in for a rude awakenin' if anything goes wrong.

I'm single and was fortunate enough to make even more than that all by myself for a few years. Yeah, I spoiled myself a little, but I didn't change my basic lifestyle. I counted myself to be very fortunate, and actually was embarassed by what I was making. I increased my charitable giving substantially during that time and still couldn't help but save the rest. Which was a good thing, 'cause that gravy train derailed. But I found I had a cushion to tide me over for havin' saved it instead of spendin' it.

On a similar scale, my boss did the same thing. He was pullin' down a quarter-million a year, but he kept his household on a budget more like he was makin' $100k, and put the rest away. He was expected to keep a home in a tony neighborhood and entertain bigwigs as part of his work, so he was pinchin' pennies to keep to his budget and save. He was ridin' the same train I was, so his frugality served him well, too.

Since I don't know the folks you're referrin' to, I'm not comfortable callin' them fools, but they're certainly holdin' themselves out as foolish if they think they've got anything to complain about. Bad enough that they think the have problems. To actually complain?????

They'd do well to fire up their high-speed internet connection and read about some of the old folks up here in Maine tryin' to take care of their medical bills and stayin' warm in their two-room shanties on their SS checks. Any savings they may have been able to scrape together over the years are long gone. Or how they're gonna get to town for a doctor's appointment or even groceries. What vehicle? I'm sure they'd love to have the problems of the $120k nitwits.

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davpal

05-13-2008 21:32:05




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 05-13-2008 19:36:48  
Sound like you may have been selling sub prime mortgages. And the gravy train might have been all the idiots who were getting good deals on ARM's and getting loaned 10 times their gross income to build big houses they couldn't possibly afford. Am I getting warm?



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ScottyHOMEy

05-14-2008 08:24:22




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to davpal, 05-13-2008 21:32:05  
Cold as dry ice. Last two gigs were working with charitable donors to universities who were capable of giving a half-million or more. No such thing as a typical year in that business, but I could raise at least $5 mill a year and one year actually found $45 mill for the institution.

In those instances where gifts were made using a charitable trust, part of my job was to make sure that the universities' investment gurus didn't invest any part of those trusts in anything to do with sub-prime mortgages and other high-risk investments.

Closer to home, I had a brother whose ex-wife spent them into bankruptcy, part why she is the ex-wife. He had to go with an ARM after the divorce to get back on his feet. By the time the bankruptcy dropped off his credit history, he was doing well with his business (general contracting, mostly big-dollar home renovations for new owners). I had to ride herd on him a little to get his mortgage refinanced at a fixed rate. He called a few days ago to thanks me for the advice.

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Germ

05-14-2008 04:44:47




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to davpal, 05-13-2008 21:32:05  
I know Scotty personally, you aren't even warm. Heck of a good fella, but he isn't the sub prime lender.



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Damp;Dservice

05-13-2008 21:39:03




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to davpal, 05-13-2008 21:32:05  

davpal said: (quoted from post at 21:32:05 05/13/08) Sound like you may have been selling sub prime mortgages. And the gravy train might have been all the idiots who were getting good deals on ARM's and getting loaned 10 times their gross income to build big houses they couldn't possibly afford. Am I getting warm?


Not even close, just a working stiff like most everyone here, own a small business working on farm equipment, wife and two kids..... not even making half of 120k per year, yet paying taxes and getting nailed on every buck I make to bail out the next deadbeat.

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old

05-13-2008 19:27:40




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LOL most be ruff living on $120K a year. Shoot I think I would have to live 8-9 years to have that much come in. Oh well some people could never make it on very little. I'd love to have 1/4 of that coming in each year I could live real well on that and not just get by



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Joe Pro

05-13-2008 19:25:30




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
O man If my mom made 120 thousand I'm sure we would be a lot better off. Like lots of people out there, we are still eating 3 meals a day and have plenty of food around, but we sure have cut back on going out to eat and buying that junk that "would be nice to have". At 4 bucks a gallon lots of money goes to fuel. I still drive to school and hang out with my buddies but we don't go to far any more, we just hang out and have bonfires and things that are cheap.

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Steven f/AZ

05-13-2008 19:13:29




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
One guy has his keyboard soaked in tears...

mine is soaked in vomit!



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Dave from MN

05-13-2008 18:54:50




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
The poor couple, any one have an adress I can send them some cash so they can buy some new patio furniture? Was there actually a story on that? Wow, there are people that are far worse off than that.



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phillip d

05-13-2008 18:49:27




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
It probbably wouldn't matter if they made 120 million a year,they would likely still over spend.



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KEH

05-13-2008 18:36:33




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Last week drove across S Alabama on way to Mobile, AL. Some of the trip was through an obviously lower income area, fairly thickly settled with mobile homes and smaller frame houses. Wife and I commented that almost none of these rural homes had a vegetable garden. It's not just the well off yuppies that have money managment problems.

KEH



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E.B. Haymakin'

05-13-2008 19:56:56




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to KEH, 05-13-2008 18:36:33  
What route did you take? KEH I"m in Baldwin County across the bay from Mobile, and I see alot of gardens all over south Alabama. Yes, some don"t, and yes lots of sorry folks all over. But keep this in mind-the education system does not teach people to grow food anymore, not that it ever did, but society all over has changed. There are gardens around, just getting fewer because of ignorance, and maybe some laziness. But, they are here. And, I"m not getting on your case, just letting you know I HAVE ONE!

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KEH

05-13-2008 20:44:31




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to E.B. Haymakin', 05-13-2008 19:56:56  

Route was Dothan, Orark, Enterprise, Ino, Opp, Andalusia, Brewton, Atmore, Bay Minette, Spanish Fort, Mobile. Wasn't knocking South AL, I'm from SC and see the same thing here. My parents were small farmers who survived the Depression and they, along with other people nearby, gardened religiously. I still do, It's the most profitable farming one can do in that it saves on food costs.

How did Bay Minette get it's name?

KEH

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E.B. Haymakin'

05-14-2008 17:15:33




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to KEH, 05-13-2008 20:44:31  
That has always baffled me also, as a life long resident. I can tell you though somewhere out in the Mobile/Tensaw Delta is an area named Bay Minette. I suspect the city of Bay Minette carried the name due to settlers/explorers staying that far inland. Our area was occupied by the Spanish, French, English, and I suspect the name was an odd ball hold out. If you came through Spanish Fort you were just north of me, and traveled the same route from Andalusia that my 479 Haybine, and Miller Tilt Top did. That area is nice country, and I figured you came through that way. Some of the best people in the world line those highways-we blew a tire on the trailer carrying the haybine, and it seemed everybody stopped to help. Glad you had a safe trip. By the way, what you saw around Spanish Fort is all new, our area has exploded in five years.

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garytomaszewski

05-13-2008 19:08:07




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to KEH, 05-13-2008 18:36:33  
Golly, why have a garden and all that WORK when Wally worlds now have grocery stores? All the south American fruit and veggies you need and fresh frozen fish from China.



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RodInNS

05-13-2008 18:20:39




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I just soaked the keyboard in tears....



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Jim H. SW- PA

05-13-2008 19:07:56




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to RodInNS, 05-13-2008 18:20:39  
I know how you feel! I would like to help them as much as I could and that is send a package of hotdogs but, we may get company this weekend {I will need them myself!!!][ LOL]



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Lanse

05-13-2008 18:12:50




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
Choke on $500 bills and end your agony whoever you are.

I was watching the news and theres a lady on there who skipps breackfast so that the extra $4 can get her daughter to school. Its a shame what people have to do, but its got to be done. No ifs, ands, or butts about it



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Lanse

05-13-2008 18:25:11




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to Lanse, 05-13-2008 18:12:50  
And-these people clearly cant cut back and only go to exotic countries 4 times a year or something. There are people with money that are smart with it, and use it for good. However a fool and his money are quickly parted. And theres those who i wonder how they ever got the money in the first place. The econemy sucks, and times are hard all around. Some people just cant make it on $119k a year, and some people have to skip breackfast for their kids.

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your 15

05-14-2008 04:21:49




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to Lanse, 05-13-2008 18:25:11  
what the he$$ would you know about life let alone hard times.



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Spook

05-13-2008 18:55:34




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to Lanse, 05-13-2008 18:25:11  
I think the median family income in this country is maybe 50K. That works out to a little better than 3k a month, after taxes. Those people are having problems with high energy prices.



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RobMD

05-13-2008 18:05:02




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
The people in question need to shut up. Very much so. They obviously have big traps.



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Chris in MO

05-13-2008 18:01:01




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 Re: OT Family having tough time on $120,000/year in reply to John in Ct, 05-13-2008 17:43:49  
No offence intended, but this thread should be deleted as this makes me feel like puking. People who can't live on 120k per year, no matter what region in which they live, are obviously living way beyond their means and need to wake up and smell the coffee. The fact that they work for the government is not all that surprising.

When we lived on the east coast, we knew families outside DC which were living on about 40k per year and doing just fine. For those who have never lived there, 40k family income for that metro region is very low. They were able to do it by living within their means and realizing that there are other things worth having in life than "stuff".

Who is going to bail out the spendthrifts? I guess our elected representatives will volunteer the US taxpayer to do the job.

Christopher

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JT

05-13-2008 17:54:12




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Wow, I feel so sorry for their pathetic a$$es.



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