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Getting water line under/through foundation

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Chris Jones

05-24-2008 20:49:08




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I've been pondering adding a yard hydrant but the biggest problem is how to get the water out the house? I can trench in line fine but what do I do to get into the crawl space and hook up the line?




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Chris Jones

05-25-2008 17:57:24




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to Chris Jones, 05-24-2008 20:49:08  
Thanks for all the replies. Still thinking things over. Using 5/8 hose to get to the garden results in too low of water pressure for sprinklers. it's probably 150 to 200 feet away.

Might be better use of time and money to buy 100 feet of 3/4 hose. The only ones I'm finding are for contractors and pretty pricey. Replacing 100 feet of 5/8 with 3/4 might help. I used to fear mowing over a hose but I was lazy Saturday and just did it and it didn't bother it at all I was cutting about 3 inches high.

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Lee in Iowa

05-25-2008 17:33:53




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to Chris Jones, 05-24-2008 20:49:08  
Why do you have to bring the line out of the house, can't you tee into a line that is already outside such as the line coming to your house. If you do have to come out of the house you can just use a sillcock, a valve that goes through the sill and mounts to it and shuts off inside the house so it doesn't freeze. The last few hydrants I had put in we did not use the galvanized pipe for the last few feet hooked to the hydrant, the galvanized you get now rusts out to fast. We used a black plastic pipe with a clear core that is very tough and it has worked good so far. Lee

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gun guru

05-25-2008 04:30:59




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to Chris Jones, 05-24-2008 20:49:08  
When I built my home in 1999 I have only a crawl space with 42" deep concrete footings. The well driller dug outside to 4' deep and then he dug with a post hole digger I think in the crawl space down to the depth of the footing and then they each dug sideways to meet each other and then fished the line through. I was not in the house at the time they did this but it seems like it was a pain in the a$$. If you can swing it just dig down 2' feet or so and then use a hammer drill and feed the line through, maybe you can use insulation around the pipe to prevent freezing.

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paul

05-25-2008 08:27:36




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to gun guru, 05-25-2008 04:30:59  
You must be in the south. :) I put my lines in 6 feet deep. Five foot is to code here, but years like this last winter some of those lines would freeze up. The one line dad made 2 feet under the barn floor will freeze up every year: It worked with 3 feet of manure pack on top of it with the barn closed up but allt hat humidity was pretty hard on the cattle. now that I have more airflow the floor freezes down too much.

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gun guru

05-25-2008 09:06:01




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to paul, 05-25-2008 08:27:36  
Nope, I am in Michigan, near Flint.



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Sid

05-24-2008 21:22:38




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to Chris Jones, 05-24-2008 20:49:08  
It is messy but you can get under a footing most times buy using a pressure nozzle on a garden hose. I have seen guys use a pressure washer, it doesn't use as much water. I suggest,however you decide to do it, put a lone shut off on the pipe to the hydrant to the hydrant. That way you won't have to shut water off to the whole house just to work on the hydrant.



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Dale(MO)

05-24-2008 20:58:02




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to Chris Jones, 05-24-2008 20:49:08  
Chris, If you have a precharged pressure tank, you just have to splice into the line going from the well to the house. Same goes if you are on public water.

If you have a galvanized tank, you will have to drill a hole through the foundation. Then, you get to dig a hole INSIDE the crawl space down to where you drilled. You can then come above and run the pipe wherever you need to go. Just remember, you will have to insulate and heat tape the pipe (if you live where it gets below freezing in winter).

Hope this helps,
Dale(MO)

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MarkB_MI

05-25-2008 02:27:50




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to Dale(MO), 05-24-2008 20:58:02  
Dale,

I'm curious why it would make a difference whether you have a precharged tank? I can certainly see that you would have to be downstream of the pump, be it submersible or jet pump, but I don't see how the type of tank makes any difference.

When I put in my yard hydrants, I drilled through the cinder block basement wall, ran copper pipe through the wall and patched the holes with hydraulic cement. I put in two lines: hard water outside and soft water inside my shop. Running from the basement I was also able to put cutoff valves on each line in case there's a problem.

A couple other things regarding yard hydrants:

1) The last five feet or so of pipe need to be galvanized iron. Plastic is likely to break if you connect it directly to the hydrant (for example if you hit it with a vehicle).

2) Connect a few inches of copper tubing to the hydrant drain. That will reduce the chance that sand can get into the drain valve. Of course the hydrant needs to be set in pea gravel so it can drain properly.

I really like the Woodford "Iowa" hydrants, even though they're pricey. One nice feature is the built-in hook to hang a bucket on. (I don't have any idea why they call them "Iowa" hydrants, given Woodford is in Colorado. Whatever.)

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Dale(MO)

05-26-2008 21:17:40




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to MarkB_MI, 05-25-2008 02:27:50  
With a precharged tank, you can hook into the line anywhere - the tank is merely a "cushion" of storage. With a galvanized tank, if the check valve is next to the tank (the most common place), the only time you will get water out of the pipe between the well and tank is when the pump is running. You can put the check valve with the snifter valve at the top of the first joint of pipe in the well, and then can use a hydrant between the well and house; the only problem is when the pump comes on while the hydrant is on, the shot of air that should go to the tank will come out the hydrant. Prolonged cycles could waterlog the tank.

As far as using galvanized pipe for the last few feet at the hydrant, the easiest thing is to use a "swing joint". It consists of 1 elbow turned on its side, a short nipple, then another elbow turned upward. It allows the hydrant to be moved in any direction without breaking the pipe. It SHOULD be used no matter what type of pipe is used. A swing joint is not quite as effective when using roll pipe (I always used Schedule 80 PVC), but is still a very good idea.

With the hydrant drain, instead of using sand, use 3/4"-1 1/2" gravel. I have always used 8-10 gallons of gravel around the hydrant. I have never had a problem.

The Woodford hydrant is the BEST brand on the market - hands down. They have been made exactly the same since 1929. I"ve sold hundreds of them myself and have never replaced one unless it was neglected (allowed to freeze, or was run over and bent).

Just my thoughts.
Third generation well driller/pump installer - been doing this for almost 20 years myself.

Hope this helps,
Dale(MO)

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JMS/.MN

05-25-2008 11:39:25




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to MarkB_MI, 05-25-2008 02:27:50  
Same thing here- been hooked up to a galv tank since we built the house 10 years ago. Pressure comes from the pump in the system, not a bladder tank. Submersible pump is in the well, tank in the house, lines go to outbuildings with well in the middle.



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fixerupper

05-25-2008 05:18:53




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 Re: Getting water line under/through foundation in reply to MarkB_MI, 05-25-2008 02:27:50  
Ditto on connecting a galvanized pipe to the hydrant. Last week I had to dig up a hydrant that had been hooked directly to a very thin plastic pipe. The pipe broke 'just because'. It happened to be in a spot where the water table was about six inches from the top of the ground. Thank goodness for sump pumps. Jim



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