Re: Re: Re: red farmall , gray farmall

Posted by Bob Kerr on February 04, 2002 at 21:32:39 from (64.12.101.156):

In Reply to: Re: Re: red farmall , gray farmall posted by walt f on February 04, 2002 at 09:03:23:

I agree with you Walt. I think a lot of people will remember the red tractor they bought new and get it confused with the grey one they bought used. As for Paint, I did do some research on paint as I have a rare late built 1924 Oldsmobile touring car and wanted to paint it correctly in color and style of painting as in brush or spray.I found out It was one of the last bodies Olds acually built and was brush painted. Fisher body was building the Olds enclosed cars and was spraying those.Oldsmobile has a history center but they have very little info on painting techiques since Fisher was the one doing the painting of car bodies.I found there is very little good info on paint from the 20s! Paint companys seemed to have stock colors they sold to manufacturers. The tractor company or car company would choose which color they wanted to buy and put on their machines. I doesn't seem like they custom colored cars until the sometime in the 30s, and I would bet that would go for anything that was built and painted back then as companys stated to realise specific colors would make them stand out from the crowd. I searched for 2 years to find an Oldsmobile specific color chip book from the 20s and I just don't think one exists. I did find 1920s color chips at an old Ditzler dealership that closed, but it just had color names and not what machines it was used on(stock colors only). I also have a 1923 10-20 overhaul manual and in some of the pictures you can see where they brush painted and also where they didn't paint! One photo shows the engine with the manifold off and the block is bare behind it. Another photo shows the radiator off and you can see a lousy attempt at getting a brush full of paint on the front side of the fan blades.From the pictures it is obvious that they were painted after they were assembled. When someone tells me there was paint in between where castings bolted together, I know it has been apart before and the farmer or dealer did some painting. Oh yeah, as far as primer goes there is less info than there is for paint, but I did find a metion of red oxide primer in a 1918 Dykes automobile encyclopdia, but again nothing said about type of vehicle it was used for outside of for a car body or any bare metal. I also think some people may be confusing the red paint (that they find in the mating surfaces)used to seal the inside of engine crank cases as a color coat.Some of that stuff may have found its way to the oil pan and clutch housing mating surfaces at the factory since the inside was painted before the engine went together. My 10-20 has it and my 24 Olds also has it. Even the same color stuff! Possibly is the same stuff! Now I did find out something about paint used in the 1800s and very early 1900s. Unless it was nitrocellulose laccquer(horribly explosive/flammable), it was lousy stuff. Some paints were nothing more than tinted shellac or "japan enamel" and covered with spar varnish as a clear coat for protection. Now how is that for a "modern idea" not being so modern. It was a common practice on buggys and wagons, as well as early machines and hit and miss engines and most cars built from about 1916 and earlier.Some Hit and Miss engines and the like were painted and then had decals applied, then they varnished over the decals and pin striping! The spar varnish on nice buggys, funeral wagons, carriages for the "well to do" and the like, was wet sanded and rubbed out by hand with "blue coral"or other rubbing and polishing compounds and it would come out smooth and nice as anything painted today with $300 dollar a gallon paint systems, but would only last a few years if kept inside out of the sun. Sitting outside it was only good for a year or so before the varnish would crack and chip.Varnish has to be sanded and recovered yearly to stay super nice and it acually keeps the varnish underneath fresh.One of my friends has a Port Carling Sea Bird wooden boat that has never been stripped. It was revarnished every year by the very picky original owner since 1955 when it was built and is a show winner boat. Sorry for the long post, but I figured it might trigger some memorys and help everyone get to the bottom of the 35-36 F-12 issue or another old iron project they may be stumped on paint wise. One thing is for sure, there is not a lot of really good info on paint prior to the 30s and only a little good info on paint in the 30s. I have a 35 F-12 and it is one of the mystery "red" ones.

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