Re: 1086 front end onto an 806D???

Posted by Hugh MacKay on September 18, 2006 at 13:02:47 from (209.226.247.179):

In Reply to: Re: 1086 front end onto an 806D??? posted by Brad in WI on September 18, 2006 at 10:57:22:

Brad: Many many times I parked my self on a 5 gal. pail, (with measuring stick) in front of that 1066 and wondered why I couldn't have something fabricated that would work and stand up better than that factory front end. I know I had some cowboy operators, but I also knew I pushed them damn hard. I remember once being nearby, operator was making about 5.5 mph with 26' cultivator, he started to make a 90 degree right turn, he didn't hit the brake quick enough, the front wheel disappeared below the surface in loose soil. When he got stopped about 25' later the front wheel and axle part of the spindle were under the cultivator. Dual wheels just don't like changing direction especially when pulling hard.

I talked with numerous fabricators, about making up a new front end inner telescoping tube with truck type king pin. We figured it would take a good wide 24 or 30 inch tire to make tractor sit level. Most fabricators were afraid the rest of front end wouldn't stand up to the big tires. Then there was the concern power steering wouldn't handle it. I did get one fabricator to agree to mounting a non adjustable backhoe front axle. I never found a used one that wasn't worn out. New was quite expensive out of parts.

Finally I made up my mind to live with it. I liked the idea of articulated. I didn't like the 2+2, kind of like a locomotive with a volkswagon engine. John Deere were building 75 hp forestry skidders, articulated, short turning radius. I always maintained articulated tractors should started around 90 hp. I really like the idea of that NH bi-directional. I briefly drove a 350hp Deere this spring 20.8x42 duals all around. That tractor would turn on a headland just as short as a 2 wheel drive 1066 and do it at 4 mph and smooth, never had to jump on a brake pedal. Even those 75 hp Deere forestry skidders had 40-20 rear ends, same transmissions and engines as used in their tractors, even 1000 rpm pto to the winch on the back half. How easy they could have made a tractor version with 3 point hitch.

I had a 100 hp Deere forestry skidder, 8 speed power shift. It would give 1066 a hard run on tillage even though 10 was turning 50 more hp. It packed bunker silos like nothing I've ever seen, plus we used it in bush during winter. I always badgered the Deere farm and industrial dealers,about what a mistake they were making just building 150+ hp articulated tractors. What a loader tractor they could have had, bi-directional and their 8 speed power shift. By the way, my Deere went 14,000 hours before need power train rebuild. At 9,000 hours I did the articulation pivots and steering, on average a lot less money per year than 1066 front end. Deere and IH both could have and should have done 90 hp articulated tractors.

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