Jack a said: (quoted from post at 04:52:37 08/24/10)
rustyfarmall said: (quoted from post at 13:18:01 08/20/10)
billde said: (quoted from post at 17:40:05 05/14/09)
turklilley said: (quoted from post at 16:18:05 05/14/09) I have spent time on all three, owned two of them. The WD-45 will out pull the others, more HP. The only drawback is lighter weight, and smaller diameter tires. I have wider rims, tires, loaded with fluid, and wheel weights to use that power.
The WD 45 was built in the timeframe of the SM and 60 both of which outpull it.
Exactly. The WD-45 came out in I think 1954? It would have competed with the Farmall 400, and JD 60. If you want to compare to an M or JD A, you would need the straight WD.
The 45 came out in 53' with 43hp. The 300 and 400 came out in 54' with 38 and 50hp. The 60 was out in 52' with 40hp and the 70 in 53 with 48hp. The Wd45 falls in between the models from IH and JD. The Super M came out in 52' with 46hp which is real close to the WD45. Now just because there are hp differences doesn't mean the 45 wasn't considered in the same class as some other models but I wouldn't consider the 45 to be in the same class as the 400 or 70 but in reality it can compete very well with each. Especially with an Allis mounted plow. The 70 and 400 could also have mounted plows but without draft control they were pretty much useless which would be why they didn't sell many.
My uncle used to tell of when he got out of the Army in 53 and went to a field demo comparing a 60 to a 45 pulling this farmers 3x16 Oliver pull-type plow. The AC dealer and 45 showed up with the 45 all weighted and ready to go and so did the Deere dealer with their 60. The each took turns pulling that plow against a stop watch. The 45 beat the 60 by over a minute on the first go around. The Deere dealer adjusted and tuned the 60 and sent it out again. The 60 did no different as the first time. Then the 45 took it's second turn. The mechanic running it took off again in 2nd gear and when he got about half way down the field he stopped. My uncle thought something had gone wrong and it wouldn't look good for AC. But after a couple seconds he took off again but this time in 3rd. That 45 blew the doors off that 60. The Deere dealer tried a couple more passes and then gave up. The farmer, who had been a long time Deere owner, claimed the 45 was all hopped up and still bought the 60 but his brother after that made the switch to Allis. That's what sold my uncle on Allis.
Before my family had owned Ford and Fordson and F series Farmalls and even Case and had no allegiance to any brand. My uncle had driven about every make for different neighbors. My Dad grew up on an M and new Super M. What does he still drive today. Old WD and D17. The 45 is what sold my Dad too.
I've tractor pulled for years also. No big thing. Just my old D17. Looks rough but runs good. Bone stock. I've cleaned up on many stock M's and Super M's, 450's and 400's, 70's and 720's. I stick to power tracks and not slippery gravel ones.
Speaking of stock tractors, I would say it would be extremely rare to come upon a stock M or Super M or 60 or 70. I know for a fact, having worked parts at a CaseIH dealer, that IH didn't service a stock kit for the M or Super M since at least the early 1960's. The M got the overbore to match the Super M and they both got the domed high compression kits since then giving them about 50 to 55hp. I know most 2 bangers have been bored out by now due to not having sleeves. Combine that with M&W kits and power blocks and there have been no stock kits for 50 years for IH at least and probably Deere too. Compare that with Allis WD and WD45. I also worked at an AC shop and bought a kit for my WD ,oh, about 15 years ago and it was standard bore and standard compression. Since then that has changed but up until then unless you asked for an up grade or used something like M&W you got a stock engine. Very few WD's ever got the 45 crank and now if you want a WD kit from AGCO you get D17 pistons which actually lower the compression. About half the engines I've taken apart for WD's are standard engines. Never ever saw a standard M or even Super M. Even so a standard 45 will look good against a hopped up Super M. Those are facts.
I think you have forgotten the D17 kits. We had a couple 45's both got the kit on the first overhaul as did all of them in my neighborhood. Yes it did make a big difference, we went from 2nd gear to 3rd, but the plow still cheated in hard pulling. The old no 8 IH plow stayed the same depth. Plus I could still walk upright after a long day in the field on an M or Super M.
This post was edited by billde at 17:51:47 08/24/10.
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