Posted by paul on June 11, 2012 at 19:38:09 from (76.77.197.57):
In Reply to: Re: These Damn Weeds! posted by Tom Barto on June 11, 2012 at 17:03:10:
Where are you at? I've found the Hefty Seed & Chemical fellas to know and share a lot more info than the local coops. Any question I asked, the answer was to use more RR-crops, pour on more RU.
The Hefty guys sat down and went over things, and put together a program that fit my crops, my soils. Stop in on an off day for trhem, in my greater neighborhood they are friendly & don't have that 'beneath us' attitude....
http://www.heftyseed.com/
I like to support the local coop, but - they didn't cut it for me on weed conntrol knowledge.
For soybean broadleaf control, getting something down before the beans emerge is the only good answer. Sonic works pretty good unless you have clay/ high organic soils, then Valor works better. The best is Gangster, which is a tub of Valor and a packet of First Rate - you can apply together or only put the ?Valor on pre, then come back with the First Rate later - cheaper than buying saeperate, lots of options. Gangster is a little-known product, but it is a nice package.
After they're up Flexstar can burn down quite a few weeds, but it's not easy to get them all. Also Flexstar will flash-burn any grass weeds, but it will _not_ kill them. You need to spray for the grasses a day or so before you put down the Flexstar. There are others for broadleaves, Pinicle - it's a generic now forget the name - will catch a few toughies, and stuff like Basagran or Cobra will get some, but don't look at your beans for a couple weeks, they will look like hell.
Also, you talk about waiting a week to test bigger weeds - you are losing the game. If it's not glyphosate, you need to be spraying 5 inch or shorter weeds, preferably 2 inch weeds. Tall weeds don't die with the 'other' herbicides, you need to hit them little and young.
I tried the liquid AMS stuff once - didn't think it worked well. Go back to the granular real AMS - it helps get bigger weeds.
Bean oil mixed with a 'plus' glyphosate might actually be a negative - the 'plus' products already have the surficant in them, the bean oil might work differently and mess up the included surficant.
Some products want a crop oil, some really want a non-ionic oil, some even do better with an MSO additive. The bean oil and the non-ionic could kinda be viewed as a positive or negative charge, you really need to matech the product with the right oil, as you know with magnets, one way they attract the other they push away - you need to get them right.
I'm still learning too.
I think something went wrong with your mix or application of Bucineer - it's a good glyphosdate product, if you are in the south there are a mess of rersistant weeds down there, but it still shoulda got most of your weeds. Did you let the jug settle out over the year(s), or some such?
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