Hi Guys thanks for the guesses. The Italian one is a fiat and the Romanian one is a copy of the fiat, minus the quality of fiat engineering. In the U.K the Romanian was sold as UTB Or commonly known as Universal Tractors. In Canada or U.S.A I have seen them as Universal or long Tractors, Long seemed to be a company that brought tractors painted them blue and stuffed their stickers on it. They badge engineered Zetor 8011 crystal type tractors also plus i believe I saw a David Brown advertised with their name on. The universal tractors had lots of problems with poor castings and bolts that wouldn't stay tight in main housings. Regards Robert
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