Posted by AG in IN on January 14, 2014 at 16:26:38 from (67.236.65.12):
In Reply to: A serious question. posted by jon f mn on January 13, 2014 at 18:56:33:
Edd in KY said: (quoted from post at 03:56:33 01/14/14) I keep hearing that the EPA has gone wild and is now harassing legitimate/honest folks out of business...Just seems at odds with the EPA harassment argument I hear so frequently.
All I can say Edd is if the day comes where you, someone you know, or someone in the same business/industry you're in gets caught up in a giant game of Government-Gotcha!, you may at least understand why those who wish to limit the power of unelected, mostly unchecked branches of government that have just about zero public accountability stand on the side of the fence they do.
Ever see an instance where "violations" were found by an inspector where no violations existed? I have. One regulatory agency (at least at the time) required paperwork to be signed based on the inspector's notes before the inspector left the "field", but the paperwork was finalized during the inspector's "office hours". "Violations" in the completed report did not match actual conditions and activities. Failure to sign would result in an immediate compliance issue. Good luck fighting back after they get a signature. Best wishes in even having the opportunity to speak with someone higher up on the regulatory chain of command, too.
Ever been in a line of work that was regulated by an agency when that agency looses a courtroom battle because they were wrongly enforcing improper statutes upon those being regulated? I have. Ever see that agency then tweak their rules after that defeat to creatively enforce those statutes in a different fashion so they likely wouldn't lose in a courtroom again, instead of abandoning those regs they were found to be wrong about enforcing? I have. How about then dealing with additional regulations put forth by the agency to show those who are being regulated what happens when you take on those in power? I have.
Ever hear of an instance where filing the appropriate "Green Copy" to the proper person would make an issue pertaining to regulatory compliance disappear? I have. An employee of a now defunct trucking company told me that management made some issues go away by inserting the proper figure in cash form into an envelope as per the request of an inspector more than once.
Ever hear of instances where a state and a federal regulatory agency get into a whizzin' contest as to who is in charge of regulating something? I have. This state-federal infighting ended up basically crucifying a guy over what should have been a minor infraction. After the feds raided the property, only a plea deal kept the guy out of prison, but he's a now a felon until he takes his final breath and his wallet is much emptier now from the experience. Others in the same line of work have said they have no real clue where they stand with either agency.
Ever hear of an instance where a regulatory agency absolutely refuses to answer any and all questions from an elected official about issues pertaining to regulations enforced upon those and events taking place inside that official's constituency after someone gets raided by a regulatory agency? I have. The agency actually wouldn't even confirm or deny a raid even happened or an investigation was taking place. The whussy politician should have called the agency heads and investigators to testify over the event and actions pertaining to it, but he probably had important fundraisers to attend and lobbyists to meet with.
EPA geniuses even wanted a local grain elevator to add mineral oil to their grains to keep dust down.
This is all a drop in the bucket. Expanding on the above would fill 5 pages here and I bet I could fill 10 more.
AG
This post was edited by AG in IN at 14:48:25 01/15/14 4 times.
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