Re: Snowmobile Troubles

Posted by Billy NY on March 24, 2014 at 13:19:43 from (66.67.105.23):

In Reply to: Snowmobile Troubles posted by rusty6 on March 24, 2014 at 11:29:46:

Well, after reviewing the video, it appears the agitated land owner, (and I can understand that aspect of it) is extremely foolish when it comes to his own safety.

1.) 0:28 of video, If I were the rider and he tried to strike me, that arm would have been a bonus point, it was lame and weak, he'd have gone on the ground and lost the weapon, likely with a broken or seriously injured arm/shoulder. He could have easily been foot swept or thrown, key is to really tie up that other arm til the shotgun drops. Sure these guys can tick off a landowner, but doing what he did was entirely stupid. That would be me, even though in the wrong by riding on his land, I would look at it with no other choice, angry person waving a gun, just gave me one chance to eliminate that threat. Each to their own. Who knows, round in the chamber, safety on, not on, the chance you take. Muzzle was pointed down, he strikes with the opposite arm, you can't hesitate, catch that arm, pull him in, offset his balance, and you control him by inflicting pain, if you know what you are doing and practice same. In reality, you see someone with a gun, and you're on a sled, can go around, turn around, get away or just pass with a wide berth, why even bother with the confrontation, you should get the point, there is a problem and know not to return.

*****I do NOT recommend anyone to confront someone who is armed and try and resolve it with a physical altercation, just making a point, this is way off topic here.*****

2.) at 0:32, he takes his eyes off the person he struck, at that point he could have been easily taken out.

3.) Brandishing a firearm like that, foolishness. He could have been easily overcome, then what ? I prefer to be armed when dealing with this problem, but its far better to not advertise that, depending what I have on me, it dictates the distance I keep until I can see or determine that there is no threat, even then I am very cautious and keep some space. You should keep calm, don't escalate something like that, ask them to remove their helmets, get their names/addresses, any pertinent information you can, say what you need to say, video them carefully if you can, but never put yourself in danger, just make the necessary phone calls if you believe you are in danger well before you set up your own road block.

Every situation, locale, people/culture is different, you never know what you may get into, you have to use some tact, he did the opposite, visibly angry, confrontation, strikes one of them, he looks like a darned fool.

My philosophy is simple, I have often confronted people and have been outnumbered by ATV operators. Most often, I wave em over, many times I pop out of the brush, or from a blindspot. Ask names and addresses, where did they enter the property, explain its posted. I keep them in front of me and at a distance, maybe I have a rifle on me, maybe I have something else you can't see. Maybe I have something hidden within reach, my land, my gauntlet if need be. I take advantage of choke points for this reason. Either or it gives me peace of mind, I do NOT attack people in a fit of rage, that will get you seriously injured or worse. If there is that kind of element out there, potentially violent or malicious, then make the appropriate maneuvers, fence, signs, whatever, then call the law. I know, some places the law don't care, you have to work around it, going head to head, alone is plain stupid.

I've caught a scant few jerks, rarely, most are pleasant, respectful, and I explain it to them politely, most do not come back, its been quiet this winter, oddly enough. Sometimes I run into people I know, or there is some common ground, ends up with a friendly conversation, you still need to be aware of your surroundings but if you act like a jerk, they will definitely do the same, best to use your wits, than brawn.

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