I guess that when I was a young lad, my grand dad was about as organic farmer as anyone could be. All his fertilizer was cow manure. He farmed with horses and when any of his cattle would get sick, he doctored with carbolic acid and lard mixture (I don't remember what it was for but I think when he dehorned or cut bull calves). He used other home remedies & I really can't remember him loosing any animals. He milked a cow by hand and shelled his corn with a hand corn sheller. He also worked from sun up till sun down and worked away from home some also. I can remember him hanging a lantern on the plow handle to see with at night. He didn't believe in tractors, said they would compact his soil too much. It seems like he always had good crops cause he plowed his corn and then him along with us boys hoed it. He would have been amazed with some of the things we have now and I truely believe he would NOT have been an organic farmer if he were farming today. This really has nothing to do with the thread that you started RR other than the fact that farmers were organic lots of years ago and it just didn't work cause they couldn't make it and get ahead. And for what it's worth, I 100% agree with you. Keith
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