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Re: More to organic farming than I thought?


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Posted by Paul on June 12, 2014 at 08:52:51 from (76.77.203.247):

In Reply to: Re: More to organic farming than I thought? posted by oldtanker on June 12, 2014 at 07:32:52:

All of our tools have risks and balances with them.

A hand saw is safer than a table saw with the guard removed,
but a whole lot of folk have a guard less table saw in their
garage.

A row cultivator and a sprayer full of 24D or Roundup are both
tools, and both have risks.

We need to be sure we are clear on understanding the relative
risks vs rewards.

One of the worst things used on my farm, looking back, was
the row crop cultivator. On these hills and fine clay, we would
cultivate 3-4 times a year, generally after it dried out every
rain.

Along came the next rain, and would wash away that 1-2
inches of soil down each row.

Come cultivate again, and repeat the washing.

I don't mind plowing my ground in the fall with a moldboard
plow; it doesn't wash the clods very much at all, over winter it
freezes under the snow.

But jeez, the soil that moved from the frequent cultivation a.
That sure was damaging.

Now, which tool is worse - the cultivator, or the sprayer?

I donno, really.

We do have a whole lot of research on the herbicides, and the
ones used seem pretty safe. Been used over 25 years, some
over 50 years, and the dangers seem fairly low - safer than
that table saw without a guard anyhow!

Doesn't mean it has no risk at all.

But we do need to look at the risks, and understand how and
what we are comparing.

I never met my aunt, she died of stomach cancer in the 1940s.
Was not that old, had a under 10 year old kid. No herbicides
were used by my moms grandparents. Don't know that any
was actually available back then.... So, if antidotal evidence is
allowed, as you told us - then how do you explain my aunt's
cancer? Was pretty devastating, my mom would talk about it a
lot.

I do believe big business is motivated by profit.

I also think Whole Foods, as well as the organic dairy 10 miles
from me with a couple cows are also motivated by profit. That
sorta all washes even out.....

So we need to listen to both sides, understand how things are
really done, and then follow a bit of common sense.

And realize all our tools have some risk and danger, but also
have some benefits.

Then find our way from there.

Oh, when I switched to a narrow row planter last year, I bought
some good old row crop cultivators from a relative to match.
Someday I might want to cultivate some crops too especially
when they are a little bigger, not just spray. Like I say, we need
to look at all the tools, and evaluate what works best. I'm not
really sold on one way or the other as the only way.

I don't think Roundup is absorbed through the roots.

I don't think noticing 20-100 cancer cases in a totally
uncontrolled, unstudied area really proves anything. How
many of then were smokers, or worked with used oil or metal
cutting fumes and were soaked in non-pesticide chemicals
from these other sources 5-10 hours a day, just as a random
thought?

I think we should keep examining our tools, and keep making
better choices, and finding new tools.

Paul


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