LOU from Wi. said: (quoted from post at 22:01:17 07/28/14) D Beatty,
link below if also for 22 JHP (jacketed Hollow Points) its just some get their knickers in a wad and have to prove how little they know, or want to try and tell you terminoligy that the company uses is wrong. Pay no attention to the know it alls, it makes life easier than proving they're wrong.
Resorting to insults again Lou? Yes, you are right, Winchester does call it's 22 lead free ammo "jackted". I don't know why though, and whats more I doubt you have ever so much as seen a box of this stuff much less that it was your ammo of choice. This link provides a blown up Winchester advertising pic that shows the bullet used is not jacketed, but rather that it is a homogenous tin alloy swaged design. IOW-, it's built just like every other 22rf round, with the exception of a few very rare offerings that actually are jacketed. The only difference appears to the alloy used for the bullet with is tin and not lead. Since Winchester is famous for using catchy, dangerous names for it's offerings, (Black Talon, SilverTip, Razor Back, Safari), I would say it's just the advertising dept at work again.
Then just to make it clear for those that don't understand the difference between a standard bullet jacket and a swaged lead alloy or tin alloy design, I'll provide this link.
If you look at the photos of the sectioned jacketed bullets you can clearly see what the jacket is- a thin copper alloy capsule the encases the lead alloy section of the bullet. There are also solid, homogenous bullets made if copper alloys like some of the Barnes line. They are swaged or in some case lathe turned, have no separate core and are called "jacketed" too which is a misnomer since they don't have a jacket.
If you want to call plated or copper washed 22rf ammo "jacketed", by all means go right ahead. But it just adds to the confusion that already exists out there. The chances of finding some of the very few actual jacketed 22rf rounds at your local gun shop or Gander Mtn are astronomical.
Now, I just looked at the current Winchester site and they don't even list that lead free round anywhere that I can find. They do list a loading for 22rf that appears to have an actual jacket, but the site also shows other offerings with the same type jacket that I've used and know are not jacketed.
I'm not out to play gotcha Lou an I've got nothing against you other than your insults. But just as we don't call venison pork and we don't call cars trucks and don't call dogs cats, we shouldn't be calling non-jacketed ammo jacketed. There are enough people out there now running around scared to death of anything to do with guns without adding more people running around fearing "Full Metal Jacket 22RF Rounds".
This post was edited by Bret4207 at 05:35:40 07/29/14.
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