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Re: Canada and other countrys health care


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Posted by Bret4207 on September 15, 2014 at 04:55:00 from (64.19.90.196):

In Reply to: Canada and other countrys health care posted by Tom Schnitzler on September 14, 2014 at 15:21:29:

No one likes paying for healthcare. That is a fact. Beyond that, opinion seems to rule the day. If the US wants "free" (taxpayer funded) healthcare as the single payer advocates dream of, then you have to figure the top 50% of the workers and probably a lot of retirees are going to foot the bill for 1/5 of our nations GDP. You have a labor force where only 60% of the people who can work do, where less than 50% of the workers actually pay into the income tax system. So for our 320 million citizens you only have about 65-70 million, probably less, that would actually foot the bill, ie- you and me. Does anyone really think that if healthcare were "free", as so many people like to coin it, that costs would go down? No, of course not. So consider that we'd end up doing just what most socialized nations do- limit care. We'd probably end up limiting a lot of other stuff like what you're allowed to eat and do. Look around and see how much freedom we've lost already and tell me you think the Feds wouldn't either outlaw or heavily tax a lot of your lifestyle choices (you smoke, drink, cut firewood, hunt, water ski, ride an ATV or horse, play contact sports, watch a lot of tv, eat bacon, don't exercise enough, whatever). Is that really the direction we want to go?

The answer IMO is to put the responsibility for a persons healthcare (and a lot of other stuff) where it belongs- on the individual. Health savings plans and actual health insurance, as opposed to health CARE plans, would be a start. And make them tax deductible. Yeah, you can go with tort reform and some other tweaks that make it so healthcare providers aren't playing CYA more than they are treating illness too. We could alter the healthcare plans to reward the healthy. And you can not expect the healthy to pay for those who ignore obviously poor decisions- illegal drug use, risky behavior where STDs are an issue, smoke, drink too much, etc. If you want to do that stuff, fine, but you have to pay for your own choices. At the moment we seem to expect our neighbors to foot the bill for our stupid decisions We could change the system if we wanted to. But the problem is no one wants to pay their own way anymore. So the other alternative is to nationalize all healthcare. You simply don't have private doctors or hospitals anymore. You get what the gov gives you and that's that. Sounds great, huh? Those are your choices. Either way you are going to pay. 60% of the population isn't going to contribute a solitary dime no matter what, so you figure it out boys. You either pay out of your pocket directly or you figure another 25-30% of your net income going to pay for it. We'd be just like a lot of other countries where 60-70% of your pay is gone before you ever see it.

Not many choices guys. I'm pretty sure we're headed for that socialized deal where we pay a lot more and get a lot less.


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