Posted by Straw Boss on January 25, 2015 at 02:27:11 from (66.35.113.103):
In Reply to: Re: 12 days a slave posted by jimg.allentown on January 24, 2015 at 20:14:37:
A lot of people like to claim "state's rights" was the cause and there's some truth in it but the big question is the state's right to do what? Keep slavery legal! So the state's rights was still the secondary motive in the end, otherwise the nation would have never gone to war over any other issues in the day.
I should stop here but I'm not that smart. If your squeamish about politics or religion then DO NOT READ ANY FARTHER! Although the subject matter isn't that bad, somebody might want to poof the thread and that's not my intention.
What is sad to me isn't the fact we went to war to decide the issue of slavery but the fact it took nearly a 100 years of looking the other way while the practice flourished under the document that said all men are created equal.
I always cringe when people make jokes about how the founding fathers wrote how all men are created equal and then jokingly say "wink wink" they meant only the white man. The true history reveals they DID mean all men, but it couldn't be enforced or we'd still be under British rule today. It took years of bargaining and haggling between the colonies before we got to the point of becoming united, signing the Declaration of Independence and thumbing our nose at King George.
Slavery was the biggest issue they had to deal with and soon became an obvious road block to the colonies becoming united as one nation. They would never be united against Britain if slavery was not allowed because many colonies voted to NOT join the union otherwise. To preserve the hope of a union amongst the states, they had to look the other way on slavery or they would never be able to stand against Britain if they weren't all in. The slavery issue would just have to wait for another day because fighting the British took precedence and if the new nation of USA fell against Britain, the slavery issue would be a moot point anyway. So deal with it later was the accepted thought, not knowing later would end up being nearly 100 years later.
Before AND after the Revolutionary war, many leaders of the day are quoted as saying in so many words that the issue would eventually have to be resolved and worried if the country was strong enough to survive it. Most were ashamed the practice was still going and knew it was hypocritical of our founding documents.
For comparison today, we have the abortion issue and a woman's right to kill an unborn child. Moral issues aside, each State makes its own laws on the issue. Once again, we can't seem to get rid of it as a practice, but to keep peace in the nation amongst our population, we try to minimize the practice as much as possible and not let it spread, knowing that allowing some abortion, (immoral as it is) in certain cases is still better than losing the abortion fight on Capitol Hill and having ALL abortion legal. Same thing they did with slavery laws leading up to the civil war. The nation tried very hard to at least contain it. And much like the issue of gun rights today, those opposed will chip away at gun rights until there's nothing left so all gun bearing citizens need to be aggressive against ANY laws restricting our rights to bear arms. Likewise, the south was afraid if they gave an inch, the writing would be on the wall, so they dug in their heels. Of course abortion isn't based in any one region so we as a nation will just degrade as a whole and implode as we become more and more immoral, selfish and uncaring of our fellow man.
When the chickens come home to roost on this one I'm afraid it will be North vs. South in a more.... let's say....religious setting. When I meet St.Peter someday and he's reluctant to let me in because I'm a sinner, I'll be sure to ask him to review my voting record. Those of you who don't vote and say its not your problem, well, they say you get what you deserve for a government. I say as a nation WE ALL get what YOU deserve. So thanks for your non-action and your probably not out of the woods with the Big Guy either. Heaven help those of you who keep voting in the baby killing politicians who not only condone it but are forcing the rest of us to pay for the slaughter of innocents. I think I'd rather stand at the pearly gates as a slave owner than be in your shoes. Hee Haw!
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