Posted by bison on May 05, 2015 at 21:57:21 from (69.168.144.138):
In Reply to: not fertilised posted by Bkpigs on May 05, 2015 at 20:33:57:
Bkpigs said: (quoted from post at 20:33:57 05/05/15) Paul
I don't know about you bud but i farm because i wanted to and to make a living for me and my family with the least amount of work and costs.(work smarter,...not harder) i don't feel i should have to work my butt off to feed the ever increasing world population(it' a uphill battle anyway and not my responsibility).
I use my land as nature intended to and not as society thinks i should use it which is basically just raping the soil in the long run.
Some of these fertilizers are made at great cost from oil and Natural gas so you can also say we are depleting those natural resources til there are none left.
If I am as you claim I am depleting my land in the long run by taking off meat and hay and return noting then i wonder how the prairies could sustain these millions of buffalo and elk and deer that roamed around for tens of thousands of years without dying off from starvation,..and the dinosaur's before that.
Why in the world would i take two cuts of hay if i need only one, sure i can sell that second cut and then turn around and spend the cash on fertilizer,..does that make sense to you?
I may look good for the bottom line of the fertilizer company but it does nothing for me but more work and headaches.
I work to live,...not live to work.;)[/quote]
I understand completely where you are coming from. One thing about the bison on the prairie is that the bison and Indians that ate the bison crapped and died on the prairie so their nutrients became part of the circle again.
Have you taken any soil samples? I would be curious to see how much nutrients you have in you ground.
As far as leaving a cutting: your ground, your choice. Leaving a cutting could help the soil. The litter left will support the microbes. The old way of raising cattle on pasture was that you were a grass farmer just harvesting with cattle. Now you need to think of being the microbe farmer that uses the grass to get their nutrients to the cattle.
While I agree that a natural compost and natural based fertilizers would be better for the soil, we are feeding over 6 billion and soon to be 7 billion mouths. If we go back to farming like we did in the 1950's, the population will need to go back to the 1950's level.[/quote]
That might be so but animals die and are more likely to eaten by other animals versus decomposition on a rather small spot versus the hundreds of acres they supposedly depleted of nutrients.
Yes, somehow every sample i have ever taken and had analyzed were always short of nutrients, either in my native country and later in 4 different places across Canada where i have lived.
In other words, there is apparently few places in the world that are sufficient in nutrients and does produce dick all without man made fertilizer.
Who would've thought that Mother nature could've been so wrong and knew nothing about the conditions how to grow things right. :roll: ( thank the Lord that man came on the scene to the rescue or the world might've resembled Mars by know :lol:)
Good for you,..keep at it,..i doubt if it will earn you a medal or an applause though.;)
Fine by me, IMO..there's way to many as is right now.
This post was edited by bison at 22:01:57 05/05/15 2 times.
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