Re: How do you handle trespassing by yourself or law

Posted by Billy NY on November 09, 2015 at 15:25:44 from (104.228.35.235):

In Reply to: How do you handle trespassing by yourself or law posted by jocco on November 09, 2015 at 11:55:07:

Every place and every situation will be different, that's a given, so what works for one may not another. Laws certainly are different.

Personally, I've had mostly good luck with handling it myself, by just speaking with the party(s) involved, and surprisingly, even when they could just be playing me, most have been polite and easy to speak to, understand my end of it and thank me for not being really hard on them. Civil is what you call it. I have had a few jerks in the past, and a lot more traffic when I was not around, overall, its manageable, usually isolated instances but you have to realize, at least here, it comes in waves or cycles, whether its longer distance people on ATV's coming off the power lines, sometimes local with someone new to the area, it gets quiet, then changes. Its mostly someone who is local and is a new area, just the same, ALL seem to ignore the posted signs!

On the bright side, I had a polite hunter, come up to the house to ask about bow hunting, I thanked him in recognition of that, but told him, 1.) I don't know you, 2.) its full, no vacancy, and just a bit about my terms with hunting. He was nice and polite, but whether that is a facade or its real, I am not taking chances. I am thankful for what we have, and enjoy sharing a bit with friends who hunt, but I can't afford to take chances with unknowns. Did that with a greenhorn who was very nice, helpful, but ZERO hunting experience, and very green with firearms. I found a casing from a position he was in and had heard of another hunter on the other side of the field that was within the trajectory of his bullet, NOT GOOD !

My policy is to try and take care of it without the law involved, but there have been times I have spoken with them, met with one trooper, its nuisance, almost a civil matter and they absolutely hate dealing with ATV trespass. While I also do everything I can to NOT ever put myself in a dangerous situation, it has happened, I rarely take any chances, but you NEVER know what or who you will be dealing with, so NEVER put yourself in harms way for ANY reason. I figure if I can get it resolved, the law can help someone who really needs it. I get overrun, or am really concerned about it, retaliation or escalation, then its their job for sure.

That in mind, 2 absolute jerks, opened my gate and rode in on dirt bikes, toured the place, disturbed hunting at 3 of my stands. I crept down hidden and got close to head them off, they stopped and were talking about crossing this flooded area, and I interrupted their conversation. Prior to that, I did grab a bow staff I made from a tree top, as I seem to leave those in strategic locations for some reason..... He takes off his helmet and starts mouthing off! He threatens me ! I'm gonna take that stick and beat you with it he says LOL ! Says this place sucks too... so why are you here? The only thing between us is 100' and a 2 foot deep flooded area. The exchange continues and I just let it keep going. He wants a fight though, impressing his buddy I suppose, whom mind you says nothing. So he starts to take off, I follow, cuss him out, having lots of fun with it, you no good this and that..... $#!@!... he eventually turns around, stops, gets off, takes the helmet off again. I egg him on some more, then said while putting my hand up, hold on now, I had the phone on and someone listening,, hey.. did you get all that? He backs off, says that's what I thought... chicken... for lack of the vulgarities he was using.. I should have never put myself in this situation, but if it was just him or even the other guy, my odds were still good given my ability and lack of fear. I hoped he would have charged me, I always win when they do that, but thankfully he left. From now on I am armed, on the tractor or on foot, I carry my nys safe act legal rifle. I would have liked to humiliate this kid to no end, next day I wanted to go find him, he deserves it with a mouth like that, but he left, I closed the gate and followed to listen in on where he went, he is local. There's a known drug house over that hill too, so I have to be cognizant of that element now.

Now, the place is conspicuously posted, and if there are significant problems, then I use counter measures, that give me the upper hand. Lets just say I don't use boards and nails, no booby traps or anything of that sort, but you will get flats, I will find you, so will the law after that. The law is clear about the land being posted, the owner has reasonable expectation that an outsider will obey the signs and stay out, if they do not, its one them whatever they encounter.

That's how I deal with it.

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