Posted by JimS on November 15, 2015 at 09:11:11 from (172.243.254.23):
In Reply to: OT. Bull Question posted by Moonlite37 on November 15, 2015 at 04:11:16:
If you want to take the time and expense to learn, I am a huge fan of Bud Williams Stockmanship. http://stockmanship.com/ Bud is dead, but his wife, Eunice, is helpful. The DVDs are not cheap but I think a guy who can sort bull elk knows what he is talking about. I try to use his methodology and have had good results. Kurt Pate is great and so is Buck Brannaman. The last two get animals settled down.
My personal take on dealing with stock is that they think only in alpha beta relations; i.e. leader/follower or underling. If you are not the alpha, in their mind, you are a beta. That is not to say you get in a fight, instead you learn to read the animal, know when you can push, know when to wait. I have stood with a bull between me and the gate for several minutes. Understanding how close you should or should not be pays off. Sometimes that distance is 100 feet or more, sometimes a couple of yards. The thing to remember is these animals do not have the patience that you have. I am always standing there while seemingly nothing is going on how the animal will turn and go the way I desire simply to be rid of me. They pretty much want to be left alone, so if youset up a situation where they can go and be left alone it helps a lot. Also, the more you work them the better they are and it will reduce stress and shrink when you ship (read $$).
With relation to a couple of posts below; I would never get on an ATV or any other utility vehicle to move stock. On an ATV or Gator, etc. you have now put yourself at the height of the animal. Bad move and I have seen some bad accidents as a result. I use horse. I know all the problems with them but hear me out. A horse is another set of eyes and a god one seeks to preserve themselves. That is to say, if something charges you from a blind side a horse will likely see or sense it and move. This has happened several times with me and has saved my butt. I can swing a rope from a horse and whip his butt which is much farther away than a bat or a stick allows you to be (Bud, Kurt, and Buck would frown on this). Also, I believe a horse is more intimidating to stock than an ATV or something else that might be associated with a feed vehicle. That said, feed vehicles can be good cowboys too. It is just that once you get to where you want them, if you cannot drive in you are in the same situation you talked about.
My two cents. Stay safe. Play for animals is practice for what they really want to do and use your head. I think it is safe to say we are smarter than bulls so understand how they think and use it to your advantage. If he is overly aggressive, ship him. He is not worth yours or anybody else's life.
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