Re: What do you think of OEMs talkingto your car/truck/tractor

Posted by farmer boy on February 15, 2016 at 11:07:12 from (192.95.171.148):

In Reply to: What do you think of OEMs talkingto your car/truck/tractor posted by JD Seller on February 14, 2016 at 17:46:31:

Using OnStar or JDLink to demobilize a piece of equipment because of late payments doesn't really bother me much. If that's where they could leave it, I'd be fine with it. With OnStar and possibly JDLink, I'd like some way to demobilize the system altogether.

I remember your post about OnStar a while back,(quite a while back, dave2 was still here) and part of me was like this guy is a kook,(kook may not be the best word) but an even bigger part of me said that there is a lot of truth to what you were saying. If left alone, there's nothing to fear with these systems. But between the people that don't have your best interest in mind, and an ever expanding government, it's a scary thing. I'd tend to say that the OEM's are the least of your worries, but you put Deere in the mix, one of the least ethical companies out there(the same can be said for GM), you begin to think that they could cause you grief down the road too. Like I said befoe though, some way to disable the system, and I'd be fine with it. There is always a way to disable it. It may cause a code, but it won't disable a vehicle. Unhook the antenna from OnStar. You could likely get the dealer to disable JDLink through Service Advisor by switching it off right at the address. Either that, or on some I think you can pull a fuse, or again you could unhook the antenna. Don't cut the antenna cable, but unhook where it connects to the controller.

I have a '14 Camry, and as far as a late model car goes, it's not a super complicated car. It employs CanBUS, but has no TPMS, and nothing in the way an OnStar like system. Toyota, the police, etc, have no ability to communicate with this car. I looked at a Chevy Cruze, and though it was a small part of my decision, I'll admit that Onstar did deter me some. That and it was a small car with a fairly new diesel engine.

I can see their point with GMO. They did do the R&D to come up with said genetics in said seed. It's easily abused and they basically police it themselves, but I can see why they want to protect it.

Now for the ownership thing. Apple is one of the worst for this, as is Microsoft, with EULA. I don't think Deere or GM will ever convince the courts that they should own the vehicle as a whole, and we are simply allowed to use it. I think it may get to the point that they convince them that they wholly own the software. This part of it is easy enough to get around. It's been done before. There are people out there that are lots smart enough to write their own program, and download it as a payload, wiping Deere's own payload off as it does so. (Basically the same thing a dealer does when they update or refresh the payload on a tractor.)
I also think it will get to the point where laws will be introduced that will force Deere to release the part of SA that allows a person to connect to the equipment. Between emissions laws that forced OBDI and II, and right to repair laws, I think it will eventually extend to AG and const.

As for not owning a newer vehicle, the biggest reason I don't like newer vehicles is because of the unnecessary complication. I have a 2000 GMC old body style truck. To me that was a sweet spot. Enough electronics to make things more user friendly, the engine more efficient, the transmission more reliable, but not to the point of sheer stupidity. Everything I need to do on that 2000 truck can be done from a simple scanner.(Like a SO Solus Pro, which can be bought reasonable now) Really nothing complicated about it. As you would well know, the 00 and 10 series Deere fell into this category as well. Just enough electronics, but not completely carried away. Now you may still be a SGB era guy, but I don't think you'll find a guy that has a thing against any Waterloo 100 or 10 series. Mannheim maybe left a little to be desired with the 6000 series, but still a very good tractor. Likely the best in that class at the time. The 6010 were that much better IMO. The 20 series was a whole other story. How does a company go from making the best it ever made, to the worst, in one move? Granted not all 20 series are bad, but the 6020 and small frame 7020 are a 'Run Forest Run' type machine. That's my thoughts on that.

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