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Re: Orlando mass shooting


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Posted by oldtanker on June 13, 2016 at 07:03:38 from (66.228.255.59):

In Reply to: Orlando mass shooting posted by dcarp on June 12, 2016 at 10:14:23:

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Oh I know it happens. But that most often with robbers in a store environment or at home and most often with the bad guy not having fired a shot before they are confronted by an armed citizen. I have yet to hear of a mass shooter being stopped by the average joe citizen. And I live in an area with a lot of gun owners. Most only shoot enough to confirm the zero of their deer gun once a year. I did mention that these guys had RIFLES with a lot more range and power than the average guy with a permit is carrying when these shooting occur. In the Holmes and this case a dark, crowded enclosed building with patrons running around in a panic creating a difficult situation for any shooter at best. All I'm saying is at that point in time, if you can get out with family and or friends that is the best course of action. The odds of being able to take someone like that out would mean that you would most likely become just another victim. That isn't the time to start thinking you are super bad guy dropper.

Wayne, yea I was in the Army and we practiced training like we would fight too. Well never once did I train under fire. So that was a farce to start with. But we also trained to insure we had the advantage before going on the attack. We also trained to access the tactical situation before acting. We also trained that when ambushed to lay down a field of fire while accessing the situation, making a quick plan and making a counter attack. We also trained that upon receiving fire to immediately return fire. Not accurate fire but shooting to make the enemy duck so that we could fine a covered concealed position to "develop" the situation. And yea, I know what I'm talking about, I spent 4 years teaching tactics to young officers. But those are hardly things you want to do in a civilian setting. It's not a war zone. You don't want to be telling that pesky news reporter "yep, got the bad guy and only shot 6 innocent people in the process"! Or worse saying that from a hospital bed with the modification of "I tried to get".

Rick


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